An Alabama's family experience with the ACA

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  1. gatorpa

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    I think you meant Medicaid sign ups, but you are correct, save one thing the "poor" are getting the subsidies (more GOV cheese), that leaves the middle class to cover the costs. The same middle class that every lefty here cries about in "income inequality threads". They don't realize this will make it much worse. Or they don't care. A big real reason the middle class is going backwards is the increase in taxes and fees. From state to local to federal. But its easier to whine that the rich dude got richer and play class warfare.
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    What laws do you think are worse than this....in particular, from a financial standpoint? Serious question.
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    You are correct...Medicaid, not Medicare. Typo due to high blood pressure thinking about Hussein.
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  4. vertigo0923

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    gramm-leach-bliley comes to mind as a 'worst legislation' item.




    with financial repercussions.
  5. secgator

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    Nowhere close to the potential this crap 'could' reach. This one could completely destroy our economy in addition to our social infrastructure.
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    really? so you're saying the 2008 crash and 'too big to fail' wasn't destructive. hmmm. i guess you're entitled to that particular opinion. okey dokey then.


    also: you're talking 'potential'. quote from you. i'm talking like 'hey, this already happened'. so therefore, until this 'potential' disaster occurs, and is in fact worse than all the disaster wrought by gramm leach bliley, your argument is purely hypothetical.
  7. secgator

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    Didn't say that, but did say that it pales in comparison to the potential of this fiasco.
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    how can it 'pale in comparison'???? well, again, that's hypothetical isn't it? it hasn't come to that fruition, has it? nope.

    on the other hand, we know what gramm leach bliley did, and that WAS your question to me.
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    Time will tell. Unfortunately it isn't starting out well.
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    maybe not. but until then, time hasn't 'told' anything yet. not comparatively.

    miss me?
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    You won't understand how horribly ACA failed until the end of the year. Someone is going to ask people whether they came out ahead or behind financially because of Obamacare, and whether they got health care that they could not have gotten before Obamacare. For 98% of the population, the answer will be that they were better off before Obamacare. In order for insurance with a high deductible to pay off during a year, you have to exceed the deductible. Very few people will. It's that simple. All of the Obamacare plans are catastrophic plans, which are great if you come down with cancer or get in a car crash requiring hospitalization, but do not help with routine medical costs, which Obama implied that it would.

    Someone will also ask, at the end of the year, if emergency room visits went down or stayed the same. I'm guessing that the reduction in E.R. visits will be inconsequential or non-existent.

    People are required to sign up or be in violation of the law. The fact that people are signing up with a proverbial gun to their head does not make Obamacare a success.
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    well again. until we 'know how horribly the aca failed" (at the end of the year? do you mean the end of 2014?), then we don't know that it was a horrible failure, do we? on the other hand, to repeat, we DO know what a horrible failure that gramm-leach-bliley is/was. no future projection needed on that front.

    you're gonna have to wait til there's actual proof that the aca was as big of a disaster as gramm-leach-bliley for your arguments to hold up.

    right now, you're still in the hypothetical stages of your argument.
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    Gramm-Leach-Bliley, signed into law by Bill Clinton, was a temporary problem (or would be, if Obama had the intelligence and leadership skills to call for Congress to revoke it). A hiccup in the nation's finances. Obamacare will haunt the nation's finances for decades to come. It will be a slow train wreck that unfolds over years and years of failure, driving the nation deeper and deeper into debt.
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    you're just gonna have to wait around (and continue to cross your fingers) that the aca doesn't work out, and that it fails in the magnitude that you're positing, before your hypothetical arguments/accusations can be taken seriously.
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    (from september 2008)
    Economic experts say that Gramm and others are to blame for the current crisis that is shaking Wall Street.

    Gramm’s successful effort to pass banking reform laws in 1999, which reduced decades-old regulations separating banking, insurance and brokerage activities, helped to create the current economic crisis.


    As a result, the culture of investment banks was conveyed to commercial banks and everyone got involved in the high-risk gambling mentality. That mentality was core to the problem that we’re facing now,” Stiglitz says.


    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2008/09/20/172364/economists-blame-gramm/
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  16. secgator

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    verti....your ACA is already starting as a failure, and the only "waiting" is to see just how bad it will end up being.

    Failure #1..... There are fewer people NOW with health insurance than prior to ACA. Why?--because of policies being cancelled. That is because of ACA. There will be some of those to get back onboard, but as for now--there is a net loss. Sorry dear, but that IS a failure whether you like it or not.

    Failure #2......many businesses have already said flat out they are cutting back on expanding their workforces because of---your beloved ACA. Many are at the tipping point of having to comply, so they are frozen with their hiring. Great move on Hussein's part to curb jobs being created by implementing his legacy law. Many of those companies who will be paying fines and other revenue generating ACA would have otherwise been hiring new workers, creating those new jobs, and having a positive effect on the economy. Not now however. Economic failure at a huge level right there.

    Failure #3......and this is a bit of an intangible, but definitely with significant impact---the overall reduction in the coming years in the number of doctors coming into the practice of medicine. With their incomes becoming ever so controlled by the federal govt due to this Obamascam, many of them won't even bother to enter the medical field. So with numbers declining--how in the hell is the country's healthcare system going to be able to do as Hussein assured us and be able to handle the load? It simply WON'T be able to. No way. So as has been predicted by many, AND has been shown historically in other countries....the waits will be incredibly long with quality of care being less than what it was before.

    Failure #4....Biggest failure in one sense is the utter and disgusting LIE told by YOUR messiah when he used whatever method of deceit and dishonesty he could to insure passage. Simply put--this entire law was instigated, executed, sold, sealed and delivered on the basis of a mother friggin LIE by The Great Jackass Pile in Chief--Hussein himself. This whole debacle is based on lying. Period. Everything about it was based on lies. When a law of this scope is sold to the country in the form of a lie--THAT is indeed a failure of the highest level.

    Is that in and of itself not enough to leave the most sickening taste possible in your mouth knowing the POS you voted for has absolutely no ethics or morals whatsoever but to lie again and again and again to the entire country--just to leave a legacy in his name??? Does that not count for something in your view?? For God sake, your president is a pathological liar not to mention his incompetence and ineptness....and yet you support this fiasco STILL??? Does anyone who supported this steaming waste of humanity have ANY ethics left? Or is everyone of his supporters just as hypocritical, just as unethical, just as much a waste as HE is?

    You are damn right we will wait until the end of the year to see just how much worse it will be when this whole thing kicks in full bore. It will not be a pretty sight at the end either.
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    i'm just gonna have to take your word for this future event. no. actually i'm not gonna do that. i sense some serious anger in that above post. no need for that. if the 'great disaster' (the end to our society or whatever it was you said above) happens, gee, i'll just have to eat my words, eh?
    but as for now, no. again, you've still not got anything except for a crappy website, and SOME employers canceling insurance (thereby sending people to the exchanges). you don't have an end to society as we know it, nor do you have the equivalent of the 2008 financial disaster. (hmmmm. who was president then? oh yeah. it was that guy!!!! that guy who cut taxes, big time...then proceeded to run up two wars and a prescription drug plan....you know...THAT guy??)

    so when you criticize me for still supporting him, in face of these supposed ethics lapses, i say to you....didn't you continue to support that other guy, regardless of what he was doing? and to me, what he was doing had a lot more far reaching implications that president o.
    opinion, sure. we of course place importance on different policy, don't we?

    sure would be nice if the red states would actually work with the government (like they did here) for that dang ACA....sure makes a lot of difference.*
    *also see california and new york aca success.....
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    waiting waiting waiting. at the moment...as i've stated.....the aca is certainly NOT the disaster that GLB was. maybe it will be, but as of this point in time, it's not. in fact, it's nowhere near the disaster you guys hope it'll be.

    ;)
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    Fair enough as you are entitled to believe whatever you wish---but the one comment in your post above is the remark "in face of these supposed ethics lapses". That speaks volumes.

    Supposed ethics lapses???? Are you serious with that one??? There is nothing "supposed" about them---FACT is he lied. Multiple times verti. Over the course of years. Documented and recorded and stored for future generations of naïve believers to relive over and over again. Hussein LIED without question, and you claim.....'supposed'?

    Un-believable.:(
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    i don't expect you guys to ever like it. if romney had been president, and it had passed as a result of that, you'd feel differently, i'm sure.

    here is a easy-to-understand explanation of all the things in the aca that you feel are going to cause catastrophic financial ruination, and/or the end of society as we know it.

    do read it. maybe you'll be less 'scared'. maybe not.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...e-is-cancelling-some-peoples-insurance-plans/

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