Alternative Candidate for Governor of Florida

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    What do Libertarians believe in, politically speaking?
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    Adrian Wyllie needs to change his name to Wylie Coyote to have a chance.
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    If you read Row and jdr responses on the 'pictures' thread, apparently they think libertarians are for complete destruction of our national parks!

    I guess they have some specific instances of this actually occuring that they will share with the rest of us.
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    for me

    less gubmnt
    legalize it already
    fiscally conservative
    socially liberal
    out of my wallet and my bedroom
    ??????
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    Libertarians haven't won enough to do anything have they? But I guess the question for the libertarians is whether they support full funding of the parks or not.
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    Considering the economic liberal stance on private property, I'd absolutely agree that a pure libertarian would support privatizing national parks.
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    My take? I'm a republican but I don't agree with just voting along party lines or voting for someone just because of the party they represent. I look at the overall picture - probably why in some local races I've voted for a Dem or an Independent versus a Republican - just felt that particular candidate could do a better job.

    I think if folks stop voting strictly on the party lines and based more on what that candidate actually can do for the people they are being elected to represent we'd be in better shape as a nation. But that's just me :)
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    So is it also your opinion that privatization equals destruction? Cause thats what they assert.
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    I believe in analyzing the candidates and voting for the best choice. Part of my analysis is that I'll never vote for a democrat.
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    would those parks exist without government owning, preserving and maintaining them?
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    It would be difficult but not impossible. There's been parks and other sanctuaries started by private entities in the past. There are "public" parks that mix in with "government" parks where private citizens/corporations maintain the park (cleaning, upkeep, etc). One could argue a private entity or family could be more tempted to take the money and run if someone came along with a good enough offer, but governments can be tempted that way, too. I don't think you can make it an absolute, though, that government control means complete protection.
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    Hypotheticals are great. Anything is possible!

    But who knows? Prob not.
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    I don't know about 'destruction', but after it was privatized, the land would be used toward its highest monetary value, which is highly unlikely to be just sitting there. For example, the Everglades was being turned into housing developments before the bottom fell out and the government bought it.

    That wouldn't have been destruction, as people would have made homes there, but it would have been transformation. Luxury view hotels on the top of Yosemite? A roller coaster in the Grand Canyon? People would pay good money for these types of things, so they would clearly be valuable, but once you plow the Everglades, it doesn't come back. That was a main part of the reasoning for the National Park system.
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    Probably. Recreation/leisure/tourism are good business. Notice, how the world's resort owners and cruiselines have failed to annihilate the environs people pay money to enjoy.
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    Maybe, but I doubt the land would be left as untouched as it is now. I don't think there's a profit in that.
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    I'm in disagreement here. While recreation and leisure do bring in some dollars, I don't think the large natural areas of the national parks bring in near as much money as they could with other uses, like farming, hotels, natural resource extraction, amusement parks, etc.
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    Duh...liberty! Are you against liberty?!?!? If not, vote Wyllie 2014!!! ;)
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    I will say that Vieques is the perfect example of the US government doing the OPPOSITE of keeping the environment safe...one side's run locally/privately (hotels, etc), the other by the US.

    This is Vieques (the half not in use by the US Government/Military)

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    This is also Vieques (guess which half):
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    This one was in the water and didn't detonate
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    What they left in the water.
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    That side of Vieques is now a superfund site.

    Sorry this was a long post, but kind of wanted to show that the government running something is no guarantee that an area will be conserved.
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    I don't think that anyone was making that claim here. You could just as easily show a picture of Hiroshima to show the destructive power of the US government. However, military land isn't the same thing as a national park, which has the expressed goal of 'preserving the natural resources of America'.

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