all hail the executive order

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    If you look at that, you can see the golden age of EOs has passed - Bush's second term and Obama's first mark the #1 and #2 lowest number of EOs signed in a completed term since 1900, and Clinton and Bush I were #3 an #4.
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    Directly proportional to the majority in congress compared to the party of the president.

    BTW, royalty doesn't need legislative and judicial branches of government. The executive does just fine all by itself.
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    If there's one reliable pattern it's that first term EOs almost always exceed second term.
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    So much for checks and balances..
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    It is funny that Obama has issued the fewest executive orders since Grover Cleveland and conservatives continually complain that he's issued so many. Like so many complaints that we've seen since 2009, it requires a complete ignorance of history to believe it.
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    It's still only 1 year in. Plus if he loses the senate, you'll see that explode.
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    Oh, even though he's issued fewer orders than any president in more than 115 years, you're complaining about the ones he might issue over the next three years.
    Gotcha.
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    Well actually, if you're going to say "fewest since" you have to include full terms. In any single full term, he falls #2 behind GWB in fewest EOs issued.
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    it isn't the number of executive orders issued it is the sweeping magnitude of their impact. If he only issued one executive order to have Congress disbanded what is the impact of that the verses a thousand executive orders for relatively trivial matters
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    Gr8t you just said what I was about to post-thanks for saying it so well
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    This. obama's EO are to skirt the law or disregard it entirely.
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    Of course it is, but why ruin a perfectly goo attempt at justification?
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    EXECUTIVE ORDERS
    In times of emergency, the president can override congress and issue executive orders with almost limitless power. Abraham Lincoln used an executive order in order to fight the Civil War, Woodrow Wilson issued one in order to arm the United States just before it entered World War I, and Franklin Roosevelt approved Japanese internment camps during World War II with an executive order.
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    A time of emergency is not required for an executive order.
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    but he didn't do that, did he? over and over, it just seems conservatives complaint is simply "I'm just going to close my eyes and claim that whatever Obama does is the worst that any president ever has."
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    Facts have no place in the world of Roger Ailes, AM Radio or lunatic right wing websites.
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    no he didn't but orders like this one

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...reparing-united-states-impacts-climate-change

    that arbitrarily declare CO2 a gas that EPA can regulate has had significant impact on large parts of our economy while EPA has ignored their own laws and passed rules requiring the use of unproven technology in all coal fired plants that will cost the economy billions and billions.

    that one executive order has a much larger impact than 100 meaningless or trivial orders. the point is that number of orders is not a real gauge as to how much power is usurped by EO or how much impact is made by EO's

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