Ala. vs Fla....fans passion

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    Hmmmmm. You don't seem to be taking this 4-8 season hard enough.:eek: ;)
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    People have to understand that the state of Florida has perhaps more diversions in state than any other state except for California, while Crimson Tide football is all Alabama HAS (outside of the Opelika area). There is no NFL footprint in Alabama. IMO, a larger percentage of Alabamians identify themselves with their flagship university than any other state in the nation as THE football program in the state.

    In addition, over 70% of Alabama's population were born in the state, as opposed to 70% of Floridians hailing from out of state, mostly from the Northeast, where interest in college football is nil (unless they attended a university in Florida).
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    A few years back a father shot his son in Alabama after a disappointing loss so I think this just normal up there.
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    After doing multiple shooters of pepsi cola with ketchup cups, the Tide shooter dropped her shackers going berserk with dozens of bb guns in a Clint Eastwood pose while standing on the hood of her car. Details are sketchy but who cares about details?
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    Got a laugh at of this. Crazy FSU fan, Brown, with a machete tries to take on bar patrons with a fight. Bar's manager went outside to break up brawl when Brown promply made a lunge at him. The manager ran away.
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    This is no time to be measuring fan loyalty. They won 2 NC's in a row, and 3 of last 4 years.

    Any freak'n school in the country could boast *passionate* fans after such a run.

    Let's talk about 'bama's loyal fan base after they've been mired in mediocrity for a span of several years, not after all the closet pretenders stormed out of the woodwork, after the water was proven to be nice and warm....

    As for the loss?

    Get. over. it.

    Whiny *flipp'n* pu$$ies.
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    No it's not about passion. It's about who has it and the control of it.

    UF has a lot of people who are fans who didn't attend the University, but not Alabama numbers. Alabama is actually a very good University, and many people don't realize it because of their fan base. See in Alabama the only sport is football. Auburn or Alabama(even UAB fans and Troy usually seem to pick one of these as well it seems). Auburn fans are generally made up of graduates of the school, current students, or children or parents of family members who went to Auburn. So we have the rest of the state, which has one of the highest percentages of high school dropouts and adults without an advanced degree, needing a team. Which are they going to choose? The team who until 2010 had one title, or the one with the most titles in College Football? There was a poll done and shown on SECrant that I can not currently find about attendence and non-alumni averages in stadiums. Alabama was number 1, and it wasn't close.

    See UF may have a more arrogant fan base, a more egotistical group of people because of UF's higher level academics when compared to the rest of the SEC. But most UF fans have other things. We have a great basketball team, a ton of pro teams to choose to root for, a better state all around in terms of things to do. It's not that Bama fans are more passionate in terms of the love for their program, it's that they have more BAD fans than anyone else. It's not the graduates of the school doing these acts. These are the lower income, uneducated, have nothing else in life to celebrate people who literally cling to every single thing the football program does.

    Maybe that is passionate...but it's certainly misplaced passion. I would never harm another human over sports, and I bet most if not everyone here would agree with that. Even Ron Zook.
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    They should throw out the top best fan and the worst fan of all, before you create a curve. For all teams.

    Neither type should be thought of as the way all are.
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    Exactly, there are all flavors of ice cream in every fan population. To point out one as being terrible is just hypocritical at best.
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    That is a good attempt, but off a bit.

    Yes, Alabama is a very good University. People would be very surprised if they would look into that.

    But, the whole thing about other things to do in Florida is a fantastic myth propagated by those who have good sounding theories, but do not really understand what is "Alabama." For example, Bammers go hunting and fishing. It is not just a hobby either. It is an all consuming culture.

    Truthfully, the difference in UF and the rest of the SEC has to do with the Northern influence at UF vs all the other schools. South Florida (NY South and Cuba North simultaneously) and the growth in population of the rest of Florida is due to transplantation and diverse mixtures of values, religions, cultures, European influences etc. Alabama has predominant traditional values that bind them together with a common idea about how the world should be.

    To begin to understand what is "Alabama", you need to understand a little bit of why fans chant SEC SEC SEC SEC. If you understand that phenomena, then you have a glimpse of the Alabama thing. Alabama is Us Folks. It is a collective identity ingrained in the culture for over 150 -200 years. It is the Us Folks who are always discriminated against, under-regarded, overlooked, and dismissed. Us Folks are bound together by adversity, which comes in all sorts of ways to threaten what is Alabama: Faith, family, food, way of life, manners, respecting your elders, ladies first, etc and etc. The identity is American. Christian. Parental authority. What is passed down from your parents. What is considered the right way is preferred what is considered the "aint the right way", how you treat others, what you talk about, what your word represents and so on.

    I won't take the time to write a book about the football history as it relates to Alabama in the old days, (you can find it all over the web), I will just say this: While you can include the rest of Dixie in this discussion, Alabama has a unique identity when it comes to these same issues as it pertains to football. From the right to play in the Rose bowl, to playing Southern Cal, and to not being #1 when you are undefeated and beat the team who is #1... it all feeds into it.

    What is immediately observable, is that you must choose a side in Alabama. Either you are for Auburn or Alabama and it does not matter what school you went to. It is the Crimson Us Folks vs. the Orange and Blue Us Folks. You have to either be a Hatfield or McCoy. It is confusing to most Bammers that Gators remain Gators and LSU Tigers remain LSU Tigers. It is, hey I know you are a Gator, but are you an Alabama or Auburn fan?

    This is a way to assign to you an identity they can understand. This is the moment you let them know if they hate you, love you, or skeptical of you. If you are a Hatfield, you are hated by the McCoy. But, if you are neither, then they do not trust you because they are not sure about you. A little overstated, but it is close.

    What is Floridian is nothing like what is Alabama. They are world's apart separated by I-10.
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    That was a long, interesting tale. But it doesn't counter anything really said about the fact that in one of the least educated states in America, the majority of those citizens go for Alabama. Considering the absolute fact that they hold more non Alumni in their stadium every Saturday than any other school is the reason the argument is an easy one to make. Bama does have an elite history, but listening to the Paul show for one day will bring any person to the realization that the Bama fan base is by far and away the most insane. Once again, it's not the one's going to Bama with this insane mentality of everything is Bama football, it's the people working at bad jobs who have literally nothing else but Bama football.

    By the way everyone here knows the SEC, so we don't need to be told why it's chanted, it's basically common sense to any SEC fan by this point.
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    Narrow minded rednecks in other words.
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    I have never been treated better by people in my life as I was and currently am treated in Tville. There is the resident red necks yes but the UofF has their share of those as well. So yes there is a rivalry between big schools but what would you expect? Do you think the Tide would dilly dally around with their football program like we seem to be good at as of late? Not a chance.
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    Bama was pretty bad for 5 or 6 years before Saban arrived weren't they ?
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    If you have lived in OTHER Southern states besides Alabama (as I have), you can see evidences though that the uniquely insane nature of the gump fan base is just as much rooted in the home-state mentality as it is in the trophy case.

    I have lived in Louisiana and I found that l$u fans are passionate, and have every reason to be excited about their team's accomplishments in the past, but NOT like gumps. Same for Georgia fans. Same for Tennessee fans. In those states there is no shortage of Faith and Family, no less love of tradition, etc., but they lack the manic quality of the Alabama folks.

    Some Auburn people are that way too. Look at a Phyllis from Mulga wearing crimson, but there will be a Tammy or a Charles from Reeltown to match in navy blue and orange. It's just that there are so greatly many more of the Phyllis-es. What drives the Auburn types is the us-against-the-machine existence they face in going against the prevailing tide (pun intended)

    But the unique combination of Alabama near-xenophobia coupled with a background of stubborn pride and arrogance along with the tinge of Southern rebelliousness, mixed with the massive trophy case and the lifetime memories and culture ingrained into a fanbase that simply cannot fathom losing- that sees a NC as a birthright and an exclusive privilege for only themselves- ALL makes the gump unlike any other.

    They are unique to sports in the most negative way. Yankee fans or Domer fans or Packer fans are interspersed all over America. If a gump appears in another state, they almost certainly are a transfer from sweet home.

    Walking around on Monday, I saw gumpers who looked like their entire reason for living had been taken from them. And it HAD been... at least until next September.
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    I think people have it wrong about Ttown. There are just as many classy people and a hell of lot more money there than Gville could ever dream about.
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    I thought this thread was about Alabama fans in the entire state , not just Tuscaloosa. As far as per capita income goes, Alabama is way down the list behind Florida.
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    Those people are crazy. Bammers more than Barners, though.

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