About as sick as it gets

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    Who do you think the federal government has spent more money on to date? Terry Nichols or Timothy McVeigh?
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    Funny how simply being born in the US affords a person certain protections people in other parts of the globe are not entitled to. Even when it's a single person in the US who makes decisions as to their guilt or innocence, and who lives, and who dies in other countries.

    If these thugs had been walking along a street in Karachi, and a drone blows them (and a dozen or so innocent bystanders) into millions of tiny pieces, no one would have even noticed, let alone, attempted to defend them. Suddenly, they are the poster child for the process in America.

    Not saying that I disagree with the process, mind you. I just marvel at the irony of flaws that have only recently become so obvious in this centuries old process.

    Perhaps an all expense paid vacation to Pakistan might be a better option for the likes of these repeat offenders? After all, that seems to be what the rest of the world does with their own malcontents by sending them here where they can make a living, receive free healthcare and even vote (several times, should they so desire) for the candidate who is most likely to assist them in their chosen career field.
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    I'm not crazy about these kind of people being executed but it's not because I feel any sorrow for them as much as it is mistakes can, and are, made.
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    Nichols but only because of the circumstances of these particular cases. When determining relative overall costs, we have to consider all death penalty eligible cases in a system across some time period, not just one or two.

    In any case, both were tried in death eligible cases at the federal level, but Nichols was also tried for a death eligible case at the state level and was sentenced to life in both cases. His state case is reported to have also reached 10 million. He is is also housed at Florence Supermax in Colorado at an approximate cost of 75k a year. OTOH, McVeigh's federal prosecution cost tax payers an estimated 13 million (and I'd imagine Nichols was in the same ball park for his federal case). Plus McVeigh dropped his appeals after losing the first few.

    Had Nichols not been death eligible and McVeigh had, Nichols trial costs (for both) would have been drastically less, maybe about 1/10 of what it cost to prosecute McVeigh. Plus had McVeigh used all his appeals like most death penalty inmates do, the costs would have increased significantly. Nichols doesn't have the same appeals rights since he was sentenced to LWOP.
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    Thanks for your response. I don't think Nichols would have gone through the state trial if the federal trial had resulted in a death penalty conviction (jury deadlocked on that) instead of LWOP. So just looking at the federal cases the government will end up spending more money on Nichols. While it is true McVeigh dropped his appeals, there won't be any more money spent on McVeigh. Nichols didn't get a death penalty sentence in the state trial either, 161 life sentences.
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    Likewise.

    Agree, there wouldn't have been a state trial had he gotten the death penalty. Also agree that just looking at the federal cases, we have spent more on Nichols than McVeigh--and when all is said and done, the govt will probably have spent over 60 million to prosecute and punish Nichols, unless he dies sometime soon. However, these costs largely derive from Nichols being prosecuted as a capital defendant, same as McVeigh and as a result of his being housed at what is believed to be the most expensive federal prison facility in the US (Florence).
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    They turned Sandy Hook into an outcry for gun control. No politician is above using tragedy to advance political goals. But liberals have been especially apt to turn shootings into cries for stricter gun control

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