About as sick as it gets

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    It doesn't matter whether he refused to give them his keys or not. They killed him in cold blood while committing a pre-planned felony. Not the first one of them should ever see the outside of a prison again.
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    Where is the Star Chamber when you need it?
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    Well that really wasn't my point. Is was said earlier in the thread that he refused to give them what they wanted. When we're talking about a innocent dead person in context you're right of course.
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    Why wouldn't this be considered a hate crime? Sounds like hate to me.
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    I will call it now, all four will be convicted, get life without parole and be sent to East Jersey State Pen (Rahway).
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    Well I do hope they are guilty. Should have added that to my other post.
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    Now I am one who thinks we should always be careful of initial police reports/news reporting on such things because of the emotional and sometimes fluid nature of the events (think of the Boston bombing and the NY Post and Reddit misidentifying people)
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    But, and I say this cautiously, the police seem/claim to have broken into a carjacking "ring" Though the use of the term "ring" makes me skeptical since police have been prone to use such buzzwords when it turns out a few career criminal drug addicts hatching silly but deadly plans in a drug haze (think of Miami and the "Liberty City Seven").
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    I'm sure they have buddies there
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    No doubt. And NJ is likely similar to NY in the sense that most of the prisoners will come from the major urban center(s), and even more specifically, from only a percentage of the neighborhoods in these urban centers.

    In NY for instance, one study of Riker's Island (jail) inmates found that 80% of them came from only 7 neighborhoods in NYC.
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    When I was a kid I always remembered that show they filmed every year from Rahway Scared Straight.
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    Great video! The original two from 78 & 80 are the best.
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    At least not under their own name.

    Maybe using the name of some deceased person.

    But what does it matter, if the guy wouldn't need ID to vote anyway.
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    Damn, I'm good...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/22/n...eadly-carjacking-at-new-jersey-mall.html?_r=0

    The real problem is, these thugs will be sent to prison in NJ, after a long and very expensive trial, for most, if not all, the rest of their lives, and prison for these thugs will be like an all-expense paid vacation with hundreds of their closest friends and business associates.

    As I got older, I have wavered on the use of capital punishment. In cases like this, I would have no problem being the one to "pull the switch." They so obviously don't care about the repercussions. They know that even after conviction, they won't face the ultimate sentence.

    Liberal Utopias throughout the country are filled with thugs like this.
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    Prisons--particularly maximum or super-maxes, where these guys will undoubtedly go--are not at all like all expenses paid vacations. That couldn't be further from reality.

    Regardless of how one feels about capital punishment, one thing is clear, it is decidedly more expensive to prosecute capital cases than it is to prosecute non capital cases. NJ will save money while these guys will never see freedom again.
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    This shows who died from guns, not who killed with guns. Hardly a relevant response to a post about people who support violence (criminals who use guns against others).
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    Compared to living in Newark, even the SuperMax prisons are like a week in the Caribbean... I agree, however, that the state is paying WAY too much to defend (and keep) these thugs.
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    I know crimes like this aren't rare, but it's still unfathomable to me that people can be so incredibly heartless. No shred of human decency.
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    Paying to defend the accused is a core constitutional principle, so whether one likes it or not, the state must bear the costs of what should always be a vigorous defense (when they can't pay for attorneys themselves). Anything less is a violation of constitutional principles, not to mention it opens up the system to convicting innocent people.

    That said, the distinction I made was between capital and non-capital prosecutions. It simply costs much more to prosecute capital cases than it does non-capital cases. By not having the death penalty, NJ saves millions a year.
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