A Juror speaks

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  1. g8tr80
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    There is no indication GZ was looking for a physical confrontation with TM. The same ultimately cannot be said for TM. I bet GZ pissed himself when TM surprisingly confronted him. GZ had no intention of apprehending TM himself. None at all.
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    Yes I do. They have an equal responsibility. Just because someone is carrying doesn't mean he cannot defend himself within the letter of the law. Just because someone isn't carrying doesn't give that person license to commit violence of any sort.
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    Yes.
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    Any evidence or just a gut feeling?
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    I readily admit I have no evidence whatsoever....but I also know no one leaves the safe confines of a car after a suspected perp supposedly "circles" it and u know the police are on the way.
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    I wouldn't doubt for a moment GZ felt emboldened by being armed. Even if this is true though he still did not commit a crime by observing TM.
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    I like LIME better. I was disappointed. Not a green apple fan.
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    No. I am saying that if GZ had followed the NW training he already had this would have never happened. Why is it so hard for you to place blame on GZ. Believe it or not even your BFF juror thinks he used poor judgement. Right now, that's not against the law. Bottom line, he made bad decisions. Why is that more important than Trayvon? GZ thought he was in some position of authority(not really). GZ was armed. GZ KNEW the rules and CHOSE not to follow them. Sorry but a life was lost because he can't follow directions. He should be charged in a wrongful death lawsuit and all future earnings subject to forfeit.
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    So GZ uttering "those f-ing punks always get away"...you are going to ignore that statement minutes before the shooting? REALLY?
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    Actually I think there are those who should be charged with some sort of wrongful/malicious prosecution suit.
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    Because his bad decisions were legal and harmed no one. Zimmerman's actions harmed nobody until he was attacked.

    It's like if I was going to the pharmacy at 3am, and I take the route that is littered with drunk drivers. If they hit me and they die, it's certainly their fault, even if I was doing something dumb to begin with.
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    Wow...just wow. That is nothing like being an armed wanna be policeman not wanting to let those f-ing punks get away and ignoring everything you were taught to avoid a potentially dangerous situation. Quick question, do you think NW created those rules just for the fun of it? So, I wanna be a watch captain, I wanna HELP my neighborhood but I am going to ignore all the rules they set up? WHo was the adult here? Who was the armed individual?
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    How do we know that?
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    someone looking for that doesn't call the police or stay on the phone with them. Also its clear as day TM went back for ZM, not the other way around...
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    We the jury find not guilty for one.
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    Better yet...why would your HOA NOT want their sanctioned watchman packing while on patrol? Someone brilliant brought up the reason earlier.
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    Actually he disconnected with 911. And he circled a few times before returning. Why?
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    You have no evidence to support that supposition.
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    That's the verdict. They did not write specifically about who started the fight.
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    because they asked him even after he stated that "we dont need you to do that" where the suspicious person was.

    they clearly wanted him to at least keep a visual on TM. But then again most TM supporters lack a lot of facts on this case so i am not surprised.

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