70% of jobs added this year part time.

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    yet corporate profit is at its highest ever

    do you not see that creating jobs isn't the motive of business, but a byproduct? Increasing productivity, not hiring, and when they do, hire part time. Good for business, not good for the economy at whole, and the worker.

    outside of stimulus and adding Gov jobs, which have shed over 700,000 since Obama, what more can he do to spur demand?

    This year, we are off to our best private sector job growth since 1999

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    Get the everloving hell out of the way, which is the most part of our nation's historical prosperity? Instead of wringing your hands in confusion over the realization that nobody ever started a business so they could give someone else a job, embrace it.

    The government doesn't need to create demand -- it just needs to stop stifling the circumstances in which it will grow naturally.
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    So much truth. People aren't starting businesses for some humanitarian cause. They're doing it to make profit - and some people act surprised when a business prioritizes that way.
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    my guess is you are talking about very few industries that have a direct effect on environment?

    i'd like to know how "Gov getting out of the way" will actually increase demand, and not just increase supply?
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    and some people act surprised when unemployment isn't reducing fast enough for their liking, and wanting to blame it on the current president

    their is no housing or internet bubble, no military build-up to rely on

    fed, state and local governments have shed over 700,000 jobs, which usually are increased during recessions to offset private losses

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    This is how politics always has been and always will be. Presidents always receive more of the blame than they're truly responsible for, i think. However, i dont think that means they are completely void of all responsibility.
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    When the bottom line is as low as it was, its easy to say you have great privet sector growth. That is like saying where i live home values are seeing some of the best improvements ever this year. Well no sh!t, they were so low even gaining 6% is a huge improvement!!

    I am glad that we are finally shedding some govt unnecessary jobs. Don't act like it was Obama's idea either.

    Anyhow adding a mass majority of part time jobs is not a good thing at all. What is even more scary is once the feds stop QE, this fake economy that Obama wants us to believe in is going to show its ugly head. Wall Street may look pretty now (even though the rest of the country is still hurting), but its going to be bad when we stop putting 85 billion into it a month.
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    Gov job shedding isn't Obama's idea, but you do see how it used in the previous recessions to offset private losses?

    Obviously part-time is less preferred, but that isn't the Governments fault, that is business doing whats best for them. Increase productivity, hire when you absolutely need to due to demand, get away with part-time if you can. Jobs are an expense.
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    i dont know anyone who doesnt have a job right now....that wants one.

    7 - 8 % unemployment,, which is a farce considering how many have just up and left the work force, is the norm in the absence of a bubble.

    technology revolutions and govt supported construction booms only come along so often.

    home grown energy will bring some manufacturing back which will get the uneducated jobs, but it will slow demand for goods in china. gonna be a crawl for a spell.

    3 rules for prospering:

    1. get educated in a field with growth prospects or bust your ass providing services to those with cash.

    2. dont be lazy

    3 dont be a dumbass
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    Government worrying about creating demand = the crisis in "Idiocracy" where people don't understand why, no matter how much Brawn-do they irrigate with, crops refuse to grow. Don't they know that government spending electrolytes are what economic plants crave?
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    Soo Obamacare has nothing to do with that? The govt regulations up the arse has nothing to do with that?

    I work in the financial district (loan originator) where the govt came out with policies that govern how we are to be paid and how much we can make. Not only has that lowered our income but that of the local business i work for. We are in need of another processor but because of govt regulation we can not hire one. So work flow didn't change but income in did, again due to govt.
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    Congrats. #s 2 and 3 have insulted 65% of Obama voters.
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    So you are in favor of allowing the free movement of people across international borders without the government getting all involved in the labor markets, right? After all, that is the only way to reach equilibrium in the labor market in an international capital market.
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    So...we've gone from a jobless recovery, to a part-time, partial recovery.

    That about the gist? ;)
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    Not sure what you mean with 'farce' here, in context of the remainder of your post. It's a farce in so much as it understates actual UE significantly--perhaps real UE is in the neighborhood of approx. 15%.

    It's not normal, nor is it acceptable. 2-3% is excellent. 5-6% was unacceptable under Bush II, according to the neo-libbies, who now celebrate 7.4% grossly fudged, as if it were the mark of greatness.

    As for whom you know....unfortunately, I know quite a few who are unemployed, underemployed, and just plain starving.

    ...not to mention how many illegal mexican immigrants whom I know have left, and returned to Mexico.

    For the very same reason the came here illegally in the first place--

    TO FIND WORK.
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    The federal govem't has increased, while local and state keep having to cut back.

    Just the opposite of what should be happening.

    btw: that's because state and municiapal govm'ts have to balance their books.

    The feds just had to print more money and run unbelievable deficits, as they kept the beltway and its surroundings, shamelessly insulated from the Great Recession, while the rest of the country suffered.

    That's not how a REPUBLIC is supposed to work--cetainly not this one (perhaps the Wiemer Republic...).
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    So the President gets credit for the jobs added, and business gets the blame that they are mostly part time? Wow, what a win win for the President.
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    Is this some utterly absurd way to imply that national sovereignty and control of legal and illegal immigration is an affront to capitalism? Because... well done, it would be an utterly absurd argument.
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    Would you consider telling somebody in New York that they weren't allowed to move to Connecticut an affront to capitalism? At this point, how is moving a product from Mexico to Texas in any way different in the capital market than moving a product from Texas to Oklahoma? And yet, they are handled in a completely different manner in the labor market. And yet here you are claiming you want free markets. In reality, you want some free markets and some government controlled markets.

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