55 million babies KILLED since Roe V Wade in 1973

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  1. g8orbill

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    What does the number of people executed for murder have to do with abortion?
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    One cause trumpeted by the fat white liberal media, the other cause ignored.
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    Murderers deserve to die...
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    Our issue is we lack the ability to faithfully and accurately determine that.
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    True, but some are obvious killers and those people that are the ones that should be terminated as soon as their appeals process has expired.
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    Words like "obvious" make me very uncomfortable. What's "obvious" to some does not make it so. And we're talking about life, the most important thing.
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    Unless it's life in the womb.
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    Well I'm against abortion so, no, wrong there.
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    Judging from 55 million abortions there are others who are not so enlightened.
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    I agree. I'm not sure what that has to do with my evaluation of the merits of the death penalty.
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    I'd never thought I'd say this, but I'm starting to believe that federal judges are getting very tired of dealing with so many abortion cases. Sotomayor and Ginsberg have made some telling statements in public or in the court recently which hint at this frustration. Sotomayor hinted that she felt the buffer zone lone from MA that was just brought to the court was quite extreme. Ginsberg has expressed similar sentiments about Roe.

    I think sooner or later the decision will be overturned and be left to the states to decide. I believe last year saw a record number of new pro-life laws on the state level. So this will naturally mean more lawsuits from the leftist groups like the ACLU, which will frustrate judges even more.
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    Ginsberg has been on record for years in her opposition to the Roe decision (though not for a woman's right to get an abortion). She think's it's an equal protection issue, not a 1st amendment issue. Although she also said that she believed the court moved to fast in the decision and that states should have had a right to work it out more. Don't get your hopes up that she's all for turning back a woman's right to choose though.

    Buffer zone's are about free speech, not about abortion.
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    Even Kennedy is starting to get frustrated too, as I believe he showed in the second partial-birth abortion decision.
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    Obama: Roe an "opportunity to fulfill dreams." How sick can you possibly be.
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    "And we resolve to reduce the number of unintended pregnancies, support maternal and child health, and continue to build safe and healthy communities for all our children. Because this is a country where everyone deserves the same freedom and opportunities to fulfill their dreams."
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    Not sick at all. The treatment of an embryo or even fetus as being the same as a born child is a social construction. It might come from folks religious beliefs to do so, others see it differently.
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    In the 99th percentile of cases, the only "dream" fulfilled by an abortion is the dream of a consequence and responsibility free decision to have sex.

    The latter day "social construction" is the idea of treating an unborn child as not "counting" until birth... unless one wants to, at which point it's okay to coo and play classical music into the belly and so on. The metaphysically concrete argument is that human beings are human beings from start to finish, when they can only be what they are and can't be anything else. Genetically, Homo sapiens is Homo sapiens is Homo sapiens. At no point in our gestational cycle or after can we turn out to be dogs or zebras or paramecium or coral -- we are human beings, and the truth of our nature as such snaps on like a switch at the moment that we do.
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    You don't call dough to make the bread because while it contains all the ingredients mixed together, it's not yet bread. Pick a point in the cooking process at which it becomes bread. Some might say not until it's fully cooked, others, might call it bread even though it's still largely dough, or some might just call it pan. Whatever way you choose to slice it, it's still a social construction. But if you really want to get meta, we could say that at some level we are all just a rearrangement of atoms and that living and not living is well, besides the point.
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    That guy that killed several people in the theatre, in Colorado, is one of the "obvious" ones.
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