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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorAvatar, Jun 18, 2013.
On CSPAN3 right now. Watch and learn.
America has to have a healthy debate about what level of intrusiveness is acceptable to combat terrorism, and what level of oversight is required to do so.
Watch these guys explain the myriad layers of oversight. I am watching.
"Programs"? No other program can independently justify the existence of the controversial one, so their results would be irrelevant. We already saw then try to bootstrap the subway bomber to the datamining program falsely.
Watch the hearing buddy
At a glance, it does not seem to be the case that they are offering only attacks thwarted by Prism, which are the only ones that matter.
Further, and worth considering -- why is it we don't still have a "war on terror" in the Obama vernacular? Given all these attacks?
How many of these terror plots were created and orchestrated by the FBI/CIA? You know the ones where they go out and find an idiot and put ideas into his head and give him parts to a bomb and give him a target then all of a sudden they swoop in and arrest him?
Yeah. The plots that never would have happened if we didn't try to exacerbate the fear of terrorism.
So obviously the war on terror is over as stated by our Commander in Chief. Obama = the media's favorite neo-con.
Well I think a big question is how far exactly did our NSA need to go to thwart these attempts? Is it really necessary to obtain all of the data that they have been collecting to prevent these - or is it possible that they could have been much more specific with the data?
The answer is two part:
1. They did not need every American's phone calls, chats, emails and internet usage. There is always an alternative and in this case it would be getting valid warrants on suspects and related persons of interest.
2. It doesn't matter if they claim to have needed it all - it's still an unconstitutional violation of the 4th amendment and completely antithetical to what our country stands for.
For all the partisan blathering that goes on about impeachable offenses with every administration, THIS is what we should be talking about. Two administrations in a row, intentionally subverting the constitutional rights of every American family.
So because the NSA explains it as such--that means, without any doubt--that it is true?? No chance they would ever, EVER distort or spin it at all....right??
this is the main question that needs to be addressed, and whether Americans are comfortable with the level of obtrusiveness necessary to protect the country
from my understanding, prism could not work if it didn't do a sweep, as it uses the sweep to get the info it needs to connect the dots...provides a sweeping level of intelligence that would be hard to get otherwise.
freedom or complete protection is what it's boiled down to, seem as if we can't have both
Hey (think Duck Dynasty), we started with a couple of examples when the debacle broke, and now we're ginned up to 50.
I see their 50 and raise a 100. Call ?
"Further, and worth considering -- why is it we don't still have a "war on terror" in the Obama vernacular? Given all these attacks?"
Dems leave that type of slogan crap to the GOP.
Ha ha. Like War on women
Yeah.......,, like "Forward"
Or "change you can believe in"
You Commies are funny as hell.
that's the problem, wish in one hand Sh*t in another. We all want protection until our civil liberties are taken away.
I honestly think that a lot of this would of been stopped if the people that were suspicious said something but for the fear of being PC they kept their mouth shut.
Right now we have neither... Boston bombings will happen regardless of the NSA. Worst case scenario terrorist will just use sneaker net (IT folks know what I'm talking about) to plan and implement attacks.
Looks like Avatar is waving the pom poms. Bush and Patriot Act bad, Obama and NSA good. You just can't make this stuff up.