45 Goals of Communism...

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  1. wgbgator

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    Maybe I overlooked it, but not one of the 45 goals seemed to be to explicitly eliminate private property, which is pretty much the main goal of communism.
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    Communism is vulnerable to corruption, much like capitalism is.
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    apparently you don't realize that the central tenets of communism are far more about modern art, pornography and school prayer than they are anything economic.
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    That must of been what subsequent volumes of Das Kapital were going to be about, if only Marx didnt die first. He just wanted to get the boring bits about the accumulation of capital out of the way first, before focusing on gays and porn.
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    Communism was the boogeyman and people associated anything that could weaken society along with it, whether it really had anything to do with technical communism or not. He may as well have said, "List of signs that our society is falling apart..." Whether it really connects directly with our definition of communism seems besides the point to me.
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    Maybe not to you, but it seems to for the people who start "45 goals of communism" threads, or send out chain e-mails to that effect.
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    Is not Common Core "central planning" in education....top down? Is not Socialism and Communism a top down method in education?

    Why not proffer, instead of being snide, the attributes of Big Govt (top down), Central Planning method, akin to Communism and Socialism, in education?
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    Come on Libs....offer the Merits of Central Planning in Education !!!!!!!
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    " Central planning" = goverment determines allocation of production of goods. What does that concept have to do with Common Core? Lots of countries have education standards/curiculum/benchmarks set by the goverment. You've got a low bar for what is communism, that would make approximately every nation on earth "communist." For instance, under your logic, if the federal government says that all schools must teach the English language, that would be "central planning."
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    wgbgator- is not Central Planning an ingredient of Socialism and Communism. Yes, most countries in the world have this in their education, but like salt, a little is good, too much is bad. Is Common Core too much or is it just right?

    Also, I agree that teaching English in all schools would be a great idea !!

    Do you see that this is not a dichotomous issue....it is a sliding movement from localized education to totally Federal....slowly but surely.

    Has not our Fed Govt over the past, say 50 yr, moved to more and more control and determination of the allocation of goods and services: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, ACA, Banking regs, Interest rates, food production, General Motors, EPA, energy, transportation, etc.

    Have you thought about the housing market without Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac; how was it like?

    Have you considered the affects of Fed Govt involvement in Solyndra and Fisker?

    Or how about GM for that matter?

    Merrill Lynch to BOA by edict?

    Penn Central Railroad to Amtrack?

    If you don't see it, then you are either electing to be blind or .....
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    No, I would not say its an ingredient of socialism or communism. The USSR abandoned central planning in the early 70s. Communist China uses state capitalism. Pretty much every country calling itself communist has abandoned a centrally planned economy in favor of controled markets.
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    Controlled markets is very akin to Central Planning. First, the decision making, virtually all of it is "centralized" at the top of the Govt chain. It is not run haphazardly, it requires some degree of planning. As in what has occurred with ACA , Kelo Supreme Court case, etc.

    The Soviets may have abandoned the term but they continued the implementation. Ditto- State Capitalism is a misnomer. Again, it is the "top" picking the winners and losers vs the free market.

    What is happening in USA, with a big push by current Adm, is picking winners and losers in an attempt to micro manage the USA's capital and labor and production markets.

    Controlling markets is awful. Look what it did to the housing market ! Fannie Mae is a partial cause of the collapse. There is zero need for a Fannie Mae. It did not exist 45 yr ago. Want to buy a house, go to local lender and get a 30 yr fixed rate, need 10-20% down with good credit.

    Now it is the auto industry. To prop up GM, low interest rates on cars to people who are spending a good portion on income on a depreciating asset. Bad.

    I have been to two of those countries and have seen first hand the Govt controls on peoples' lives. It is awful. Simple decisions like where to live are gone, require govt approval.

    One can argue semantics all day, the bottom line is this:

    The USA has morphed from the land of the brave and home of the free to the land of the sensitive and home of the subjected.
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    what 'loss of liberty' has occurred?
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    i think its spooky that you guys actually are on board with mccarthyism.
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    Find me an educational system that isn't central planning in some sense.
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    I find it ironic that the money supply to the whole country is controlled by a monopoly....it cannot get more central than that.....and nobody seems to notice.....nobody seems to care. All this other stuff is just good for discussion. The central problem is all behavior is controlled by a few very wealthy business interests working via the Federal Reserve. I don't care what economic model there is and they don't either.
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    tell us what rights you think you've lost.
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    Rights lost?

    Start with USSC Kelo ruling!

    Then go to the rights of parents regarding children's health.

    How about what is taught / books read etc in school. Do they offer an open discussion? No one sided on creation, one sided on global cooling/warming/change whatever.

    How about the right to own firearms in certain areas like Chicago and DC (where the laws are the strictest and the gun crime rate is the highest).

    How about the rights of coal mining companies?

    The rights of the bond and stock holders of the former General Motors.

    The rights of privacy vs the NSA spying scandal?

    How about the right to freely assemble and protest vs free speech "zones" far away?

    How about the right to go to public parks, DC memorials during "government shut down"?

    How about the right of the Pellitier family in MA?

    How about the right to read offer Pro life material on college campus?
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    First of all, I'm not sure any of that has anything to do with your initial list or with communism. But here goes:
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    All markets are controlled in some sense, its not a market otherwise.
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