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40,000 Longshore Men Quit The AFL -CIO

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  1. Gatorrick22
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    You're missing the point... the AFL-CIO lost 40,000 members, and that's the story.
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    You sound like PSGator - celebrating opposition to Obama by those on his left as if it somehow vindicated those on his right.
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    Affiliate unions have been splitting from the AFL-CIO for at least the last decade, especially since the SEIU/Change to Win coalition left, mostly because the AFL-CIO doesnt share the same priorities and agenda.
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    Regardless of affiliation, I thought I remember reading where union membership of public employees were larger than employees of private companies.

    That is not a good thing for unions or the taxpayer.
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    Well, that would explain why Breitbart and the OP thought the story was something else.
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    Unions stagnate economies, economic growth is how wealth is generated, how upward social mobility is lubricated, if you will, and how people can afford their needs if they make responsible choices.
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    See post 1950's/1960's America and the decline of unions since.
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    In a sane world maybe.

    In this one, workers without wage protections have their opportunities offshored so a CEO can afford his ski chalet.
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    Mexican port expansions and the NAFTAA railroad are going to be hurting a lot of longshoremen unions. Cheaper to bribe the Mexican officials than to pay off the unions.

    Could this be the beginning of the splintering of the dem core due to far left control of the agenda??
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    Stop it. (Plugs ears, chants "I don't wanna hear it")
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    Not sure what letter you read, but the one I read listed three main grievances:

    1. Not supporting ILWU labor negotiations
    2. Obamacare
    3. Immigration reform

    So...how is the headline misleading?
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    Fox cited health care or immigration reform as the reasons. Never mentioned any of the others that the ILWU seems were far more important.
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    Okay, let's try this again. At the most basic level the union is leaving the AFL-CIO over:

    1. Not supporting ILWU labor negotiations
    2. Supporting government policies detrimental to the ILWU

    Neither seems "far more important" than the other. One is more newsworth than the other, though.
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    neither is more important than the other? So why did the union spend two pages on one and two sentences on the other?
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    You mean 38 lines on the first and 17 on the other? Hardly two pages vs one or two sentences.

    Perhaps because saying they won't support taxing medical benefits or lengthy naturalization processes doesn't require a lot of explanation? See? I summed it up in six words. Funny the ILWU took 17 lines since you've given us the inside scoop that they don't find it important.
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    whoops, my bad. i glanced at your post rather than reading it and thought you were comparing those to health care/immigration reform. Yes, those are the primary ones, at least in the union's eyes. But Fox and Breitbart focused just on the health care and immigration.
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    Immigration is huge now with the unions as they see it as a way to bolster their numbers. It's a the very forefront of the union's agenda.
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    What?
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    Breitbart.com claims that the West Coast longshoreman union is leaving the AFL-CIO, which is true, but claim that Obamacare and immigration reform are important reasons which exaggerates wildly. Of course such conservative sites as Michelle Malkin cite Breitbart’s article in a delirium of joy that the evil ObamaCare is being rejected by the conservative boogeyman, Big Labor.

    What’s really happening? The Oregonian’s web site, OregonLive not only tells the whole truth, but provides evidence for it in the form of the letter sent to Richard Trumka, president of the AFL-CIO, by Robert MacEllrath, who is head of the longshoremen’s union. it’s a 3 page letter. The cites of ObamaCare and immigration take up the next to the last paragraph in the letter. Most of the paragraph is actually complaining about the currently proposed immigration reform not being “liberal” enough. ObamaCare is complained about in two short sentences with the only complaint about it being the tax on “Cadillac plans”. The real primary reason for the withdrawal of the longshoremen from the AFL-CIO is its failure to prevent what the ILWU considered attacks on itself by other AFL-CIO units, including another affiliate actually crossing picket lines and the AFL-CIO instructing the Oregon State Federation to rescind its support for the ILWU labor action.

    But of course the truth wouldn’t have supported their partisan message, would it?
    Read more at http://themoderatevoice.com/186204/breitbart-and-friends-miss-the-point-again/#DMiVklSiZyGWc2wQ.99

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