36,000 people from NC voted there and in other states in 2012

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    I know corruption rules, but this is ridiculous.

    From the link:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...k-incidents-double-voting-2012-andrew-johnson

    The review searched databases in 27 other states and 101 million voter records for information such as matching names, dates of birth, and Social Security numbers.

    The review found that 35,570 North Carolina voters from 2012 shared the same first names, last names, and dates of birth with individuals who voted in other states. Another 765 Tar Heel State residents who voted in 2012 had the the same names, birthdays, and final four digits of a Social Security number as voters elsewhere.

    Meanwhile, the election board’s executive director, Kim Westbrook Strach, told lawmakers that 81 deceased North Carolinians apparently voted in 2012 as well. While some appear to have submitted absentee ballots prior to their death, she said “there are between 40 and 50 who had died at a time that that’s not possible.”
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    not enough to sway an election but certainly tells me it probably happened a lot of other places too
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    not what the report says
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    Voter fraud doesn't exist though.

    Liberals believe that some do not commit voter fraud is like saying gun bans will stop criminals from using or obtaining guns.

    It is just not how the world works...
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    It said 35,570 people voted in other states.
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    Ok, appeared they voted in other states. It seems the point the left always raises with voter ID arguments is that the number is insignificant. Is 35,560 insignificant?
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    Couple of observations:
    1. 36,000 out of 101 million is 4 out of every 10,000. I have no idea if that is statistically significant - nor do I know the likelihood of how many "Jimmy Williams" and "Bobby Jones" there are in the USA.
    2. 36,000 is CERTAINLY enough to sway an election. Remember Florida, 2000? Less than 600 votes in our state changed a Presidential election!!

    The article tells the info; but, as River correctly pointed out, it doesn't prove nor confirm that these are the exact same folks that voted elsewhere. It will be interesting to learn the whole truth on this issue.
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    The likely real number is there, it's the number that have the matching SSN as well, 765. Even then there still may be a couple of dupes, but it's probably pretty accurate. That would be against 4.5 million cast or so, so assuming a couple of dupes, it's about one out of every 5,900 votes.

    Then there's the question of who they voted for, if 2/3 went to one candidate, it would be a net gain of around 260 votes, if it followed how the state voted it would only be about 20 votes to the winner of the state.
    Also a question of whether NC is representative of the country or if they are on the "honest" or "crooked" end of the states scale.
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    Those are the ones that got caught. Maybe there's many, many more... especially in the Dem controlled states.
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    So if you go to a gator game and get to your seat and someone is sitting in it and has a ticket that matches the seat, is it significant to you? That is only 1 in 90,000. Only 5.9 M people had their "inferior" insurance policies canceled. According to Obama and Carney, that was an insignificant # as it was only 3% of all policy holders. Was it insignificant to them? Gays represent only 1.5% of the population. Comparing that to insurance policy owners canceled...less than half so very insignificant. Yet we have spent how many billions on legal fees and elections/special elections on gay marriage?

    When someone uses the term "insignificant" as an excuse, my response is that it is significant to someone.

    Libs believe in "reserving the right to cheat" which is why they pooh pooh anything having to do with voter IDs or the integrity of the vote.
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    First of all, if people are registered in two states, that needs to be stopped.

    But the report didn't say that 36,000 voted in two states. It said:
    People with the same names and birthdates are not unusual:

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/voter-fraud-north-carolina-not-so-fast-0

    Beyond that, voter ID would make no difference at all if someone was registered in two states.

    And then you have to wait to see if this is even true. It's hardly unusual for Republicans to claim to have found massive amounts of voter fraud only to have it all fall apart. Remember the hundreds of dead voters in South Carolina. Republican official claim to have identified them. Fox and other rightwingers jumped all over it. Conservatives on Too Hot declared it to be true.
    It wasn't, of course. Simply didn't happen.
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    Let me guess - these people both dead and alive voted Democrat? We don't need no stinking voter IDs.
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    you're mistaken.
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    The one thing that is NOT on your driver's license is your SS#. Given the fact that most will be required to show some form of identification when they vote (even when they vote in multiple states), a drivers license is likely the form of identification they choose.

    Common sense tells us that if the names and birth dates are the same, the odds are that they're the same person, regardless of the different SS#.

    Now, why ANYONE even attempts to defend this is beyond me. We ALL should support legislation that will eliminate even the remote possibility of another person negating YOUR vote. Even one fraudulently cast vote is too many.
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    what is anyone defending?
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    The use of multiple identifications, for whatever reason, of course...
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    I'm all for federalizing elections and taking monitoring of all voter registration away from the individual states.
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    Anyone actually read the linked article? The article focused on individuals who voted in different states in the same year, not individuals who voted in the same election. It's perfectly legal to vote in a primary in one state in February or March and, after relocating and re-registering, to vote in the general election in November in another state in the same year. As far as duplicate registration is concerned, how many individuals contact their former states of residence to cancel their registrations when they move to another state? Although this is strictly anecdotal, when I moved to Virginia and registered to vote here, I never contacted the Alachua County Supervisor of Elections to cancel my registration in Florida. If a computer crosscheck were done, it would reveal a duplicate registration although there was clearly no intent to defraud. I suspect that vast majority of duplicate registrations revealed in the article involved voters in a similar situation. Federalization of elections would eliminate the problem. It also extremely likely that if legislation to federalize elections were actually introduced in Congress, in conservatives would almost certainly vociferously object to any legislation to federalize elections based on the infringement of states' rights.
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    As usual, more "headline level" right wing hysterics with no "there there" in the details.

    Yet, it will become an oft-repeated talking point and wingnut conventional wisdom that "36000 people voted for Obama in NC and another state."
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    I don't think we will ever learn 'the truth'. we probably "can't handle the truth". What I would like to know is what percentage are registered as Democrats!. Not that I don't think 'the other parties' are not capable of doing that en mass, but with the way the Dems don't agree to see the need to have photo ID of some sort to keep this from happening, and if someone beside the Obamacare website contractors could build a system to cross check these things we could stop it. But alas, protecting the imaginary rights of non-citizens to vote in this country b/c their feet are on our soil will not happen as long as Democrats control, and if it's not stopped soon, they'll never be out of office until the country falls apart. Those folks that vote two and more times must have some weird mindset that they are crusaders instead from freakin criminals. Oh well, right now, I just want to win the next two b-ball games.

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