34:11 - possession and link to Gator Stats

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  1. traubgator
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    I still don't get it. Time of possession is the most overrated stat in the game.

    how do you hold the ball for 34:11 and only score 2 fields goals and amass only 240 yards with ZERO turnovers!!!

    where is the sense of urgency? i'm sorry but down 2 scores, at some point you have to pick up the pace.

    every stat you can imagine -
    http://www.gatorzone.com/football/stats/game.pdf
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    This is a good example of how time of possession doesn't necessarily correlate to winning, which is about scoring. Our TOP dominance likely comes from three places:

    1) A defense that limits opponents first downs. This is a very helpful thing for winning.
    2) An offense that takes up the play clock on most plays. This is not helpful (or unhelpful) for winning.
    3) An offense that often takes three downs to make a first down. Also, not useful for winning.

    Most of the mechanism that generates our high TOP is rather superfluous to our aim of winning the game.
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    Nobody ever succeeded by chewing up clock when they were behind by 2 or more scores. It's bad enough to sit on a lead. To sit on your opponent's lead is unfathomable.
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    lol. You've got to laugh. When we came out with 8 minutes left in the fourth and down 2 scores, and ran a draw up the middle, i was pretty surprised (understatement of the year).
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    against an 8 man front!!
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    TOP contributed to LSU scoring only 17 pts yesterday. That part of the equation was effective and if we were asked before the game if we'd take LSU scoring only 17, we'd likely say "sure." The problem was that our offense did not successfully finish drives.
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    It's very difficult to go on 10+ play drives against top defenses and put the ball in the end-zone. A sack, a penalty, or a negative play on first down will likely stall the drive. Basically, A LOT has to go right to complete long drives.

    That's why Urban and Spurrier were so big on hitting big plays offensively.
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    And TOP kept the game within striking distance. How would Gator Nation embrace a 45-17 beat down?
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    It's still losing
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    Type A- TOP as a result of first downs and sustained drives: typically equates to good things.

    Type B- TOP as a result of milking the clock before each snap: is not a formula for success.

    Type C- TOP as a result of both: typically equates to good things and is, I believe, the philosophy the staff is going for.

    On our good days it is Type C...On our bad days it is Type B.

    In Christ forever,
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    John 3:16
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    Issues that I also addressed above, but my question is how is C in any way superior to A?
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    We did that in 2011. We lost there 41-11.

    It's nice to see in 2 years, we've actually gotten 5 points worse on offense. And this LSU defense isn't near as good as that one was.
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    One thought..... Stats are for LOSERS.
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    TOP means absolutely nothing. I've been trying to say this for weeks. Even Muschamp said it.

    I didn't mind us trying to run the ball yesterday. Every time we dropped back for a pass, Murphy got sacked or hurried. No way to score when that's happening.
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    What about win/loss stats?
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    Lol..I don't think he is trying to pad his stats. I do agree about us running the play clock all the way down the majority of the plays. It is lunacy. I remember we ran the clock down to 1 second and then called timeout before that first 4th down we attempted. Muschamp was sitting next to the referee the entire time so you could see it was intentional. All I could do was shake my head...does he not know we are LOSING the game?
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    There's an exception to everything and this was it. When you play close to the vest and shorten the game, if you fall behind its hard to 'turn on the switch'. The playcalling in yesterday's game was horrible and incredibly predictable. I'm ok with playing the style we do if we are willing to mix up the playcalling but if we don't then this style is playing not to lose. And when you do that vs good teams you lose.
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    Basically the laziest thought there is, but I'll admit it is a thought.
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    I never thought, and I doubt that WM thinks, that TOP by itself is all that critical. You have to score TDs on at least some of those possessions for it to be significant. When the best you can do with 34 minutes TOP is two FGs you won't win many games and I'm sure WM realizes that.
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    Being number one in time of possession would be great if we were scoring TDs. Gotta figure if we score 21 points while limiting our opponents time of possession we are undefeated. But the problem is, we can't score 21 pts every game. Before one of you remarks that scum scored 21, keep in mind the big turnover anomaly in that game.

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