3 point shooting - this year vs previous years

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    3 point shooting is something many on the board picked out as being somewhat of a question mark this year. I'd just realized that I've seen most of the games, yet hadn't noticed this being an issue. So I went and checked the numbers. What I found, I think, is encouraging.

    This years team is currently making 38% of their 3 point attempts. Interestingly, last years team made 38%. More interestingly, the 2012 team made 38% as well. This fact, in and of itself, is encouraging, but it isn't what I find most interesting.

    Each year since 2012, the team has relied on the 3 to a lesser extent - yet remained just as efficient at converting the attempts they do take.

    2012 saw 45% of field goal attempts be a 3 pointer.
    2013 saw 40%

    This years team is continuing that trend, dropping even to a greater degree, and has seen only 26% of field goal attempts be 3's. That's a big drop off, but keep in mind, its only attempts, not % made.

    I thought this year's stats may be skewed slightly by OOC scheduling including more lopsided games (hardly true in the SEC sadly). But this wasn't the case either. If you isolate only the games against Wisconsin, UConn, Memphis and Kansas, the numbers look like this:

    3pt% - 40
    % of field goal attempts being a 3 point attempt - 30%

    Impressive to make a higher percentage against good teams than bad, granted its a small sample. Also impressive that its still a relatively low percentage of shots taken overall. I see this as a good thing because I don't see 3 pointers like I do defense that "never takes a day off." Teams are bound to have a cold night from 3. In a single elimination tournament, I like to see a low % of 3's taken when you're looking to win 6 in a row.

    You guys see it this way as well?
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    I think the basic premise - rely on them less, be better at them when you need to, is about as solid as you could ask for.

    We also seem less reliant on guards for 3s in the last few years; this was sort of how it traditionally worked for us.
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    (realizing, of course, that a good deal of that may well be due to not having a true PG for a few games)
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    For comparisons sake, here are the past national champs since the 04's

    Team - 3pt% - percentage of shots that were 3 pointers

    Florida - 39 - 35
    Florida - 41 - 44
    Kansas - 40 - 30
    UNC* - 39 - 27
    Duke - 39 - 33
    UConn - 33 - 29
    UK - 38 - 26
    UL - 33 - 30


    Crazy jump in 3pt reliance between the two UF title teams.
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    Lee Humphrey was a SUPER college 3 pt. specialist...and we used him too ...hoping come tourney that Billy will turn Frazier loose...yeah everybody here says he's getting covered and such...but he's passing up plenty of open looks TOO!...which is good for team chemistry...esp when things get tough...But come tourney time...I'm thinking a 50% 3 pt guy SHOULD take EVERY good open look...
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    I think it's a good thing that we're not as reliant on the three-pointer this season as in years past. It's not like teams are going to pack the paint in on us, as we're still capable of raining in open threes with Frazier, Wilbekin, and DFS. We're much better at getting in the paint this season with the improvement of Prather and Wilbekin, and that'll help us if we have an off-night shooting.
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    Green was a really good shooter as well. 82-203 (40.4%)... High-volume and efficient.
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    I agree with REM, we are better when we are an inside out team and can manufacture points in many different ways.

    There needs to be a balance and that makes you dangerous even if your outside shot isn't falling.

    I think the two biggest factors has been the play of Prather and DFS. Their ability to get to the rim make this team so much more dangerous than the last two years.
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    That UF team was one of the greatest POT (Perimeter Oriented Team - shoots a lot of 3's.) teams in the history of college basketball, which is just crazy since it was the front line that had all the talent. I guess that's what happens when you have 3 lottery picks playing on the front line leaving the guards wide open basically the entire game.
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    Definitely.....I'm a HUGE believer of both the inside out and high post game. Putting the ball in either post spot creates so many issues for a defense. particularly the high post if you have a big man that is a triple threat.

    We really don't have that kind of player.....mind you they are RARE in the college game. Even if they develop as one in the pros. With the '04s we were fortunate to have 2 REALLY good ones at the same time. We haven't had a player like that since.....but again they are a rare commodity in college.

    This is one of the reasons why I am very excited for the potential of Chris Walker. This team has every vital component to be special as it currently. As stated, the fact that we have two capable wing guys in Prather and DFS who can get to the hole, a strong low post presence that demands help strictly based on strength alone. A senior point guard. Everything

    If we add a multi-faceted, athletic 4 man to the mix who can knock down a 15-18 footer from the high post who might also possess good passing skills.......we may become absolutely unfairly unbeatable come tourney time.
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    It didn't hurt having Noah and Horford down low, not only to draw the defense in opening up the 3 pt. line but both were excellent passers as well.
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    Back to the OP, I think that most of the angst was brought about by Scottie being out and no one being a natural 3 pt shooter except for Frazier. Now DFS has shown he can hit them and Scottie is playing much better than most of us expected hitting out there.

    Besides, what good is being a Gator fan (basketball especially) is if we can't angst about something?:)
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    I definitely was worried about 3pt shooting and said that on a couple of threads here. I still am not totally convinced that it's a dead issue, though, especially if teams continue to be able to limit Frazier's attempts.

    Wilbekin, a career 36% 3pt shooter, has been taking up a lot of the slack while shooting lights out at 50% so far. But we can't really expect him to keep that up - I'd guess he'll be around 40% for the year. DFS is also doing a solid job of stretching defenses, but he's never been a volume shooter from outside. The last two games he took six 3s in each, but before that he only had 17 attempts in six games - I'd love for him to start increasing his volume if defenses keep keying on Frazier and maybe this is a sign that he's going to do just that.

    but those three guys are really all we have as far as 3pt shooting right now, though. Devon Walker is an unknown and doesn't get any run right now anyway, and Hill isn't an outside threat. Chris Walker will hopefully help a bit in that area, but again, he hasn't played a minute of D1 competition yet so no telling what will happen there.

    keep in mind, I'm not saying this team is fatally flawed or anything, I just don't think we're a very good shooting team overall, outside or inside. But we're excellent defensively, we're deep and athletic as hell, and we play good unselfish team basketball. Donovan teams have traditionally been more finesse-oriented and guard-centric offensively with lots of shooters, and this team isn't really built that way. They've still been really good, even though the offense has been rough at times, and they hopefully will continue to win on the strength of their defense, rebounding and transition points.
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    We had unique low post passers that could find the open guy at 3...Noah is probably one of the best passing big men I have seen in a long time and he would consistently find the open guy.. that will help your 3 pt. percentages.
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    Yes, it has been a long time since Bill Walton played.

    The different thing with this Gator team is that we don't have a Murphy/Bonner stretch 4. While I have seen WY hit a few I do have to admit that I cringe every time I see him take one. Having a triple threat 4 (drive/dish/shoot) is so important in opening up the floor for everyone else.

    The one very nice thing that I saw in the Memphis game was K Hill taking and making a wide open 3. He really needs to take that shot and make them at 30%+ to be effective. He doesn't need to be a sharp shooter that hits everything that is wide open, but he needs to hoist a few and hit it sometimes just to keep the D honest.
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    The lack of the stretch four is a major factor in our reduced three attempts. It feels also like Billy's teams have slowly increased in athleticism since the tremendous drop-off after the 04s. This appears to be our most dynamically athletic team in some time and with that comes some players who can create their own shot off the dribble. It's really fun to watch. Billy has done a masterful job of teaching and managing shot selection. He's at the point in his career too, where he's become SO versatile, in terms of being able to adapt to the combinations within each team.

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