1994 Dick Cheney Quote On Iraq

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    you don't have to be a globalist, I think patriotism and America first has its place.
    But if you can't see that many of the problems in the middle east (and by extension our current problems) are directly related to this exact attitude and over the past 60 years or so in how we treated that region as our personal fiefdom, then I am afraid we are destined for another century of similar issues.
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    It is natural, and even commendable, for politicians to change their minds based on a change in circumstances, accumulation of different or additional information, or just an evolution of the individual politician's world view. With Cheney, though, I have a hard time believing it was anything other than a complete sellout to big oil's interests.
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    Let's pretend (seriously pretend) that the decision to go into Iraq was an "overreaction" from 9/11, given that we want to learn and not repeat mistakes, should we still be listening to Dick Cheney and his cohorts, now that they have been proven to be so wrong in their judgements to invade (that is, given their public reasoning)?
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    That's just it. People don't want to pretend.

    Well they want to pretend they were briefed and privy to the same intel the leaders in Washington were....

    So let's pretend (seriously pretend) that the decision to into Iraq was based on intelligence and the correct call. But the strategy maybe should have been to send more troops or less troops with a clear directive to have oil pay for our troubles.

    Then again you pretend to know what our leaders were briefed on and the intel provided to them back when these decisions were being made. So of course Clinton, Cheney, Bush and their cohorts in Washington were wrong. But let's just blame one guy...
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    Oh... And I forgot how war and it's results are so predictable!
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    This one was quite predictable to those thoughtful enough to recognize the realities of the region.
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    You would think the guy would just go away quietly.
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    so is your post in agreement, or just the need to defend those who made the choice?
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    given Cheney's quote, you would think he would have taken his own advice

    after all, that is the reason we left Saddam there after the first Gulf War

    i guess they couldn't help themselves to further exploit 9/11 for every ounce they could....damned, if it ended in the predictable outcome
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    Apparently, he just can't help himself.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2014/06/did-obama-declare-terrorist-threat-gone/
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    This. Bush has largely stayed out of the public eye since he left office. Cheney needs to follow suit.
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    My post is you nor I (anyone of here on too hot) have a clue what to "pretend"...
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    Right. Outcomes of a war are predictable...

    And we should ignore threats because of a region....

    :rolleyes:
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    Sure they are. People get killed and they are expensive. From there you can look at many factors and draw decent conclusions.
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    Probably right. It wasn't until halfway into Bush's 2nd term when he started to cave in to democrats and pretty much signed everything sent his way. The Bush in Year 1 and 2 would have burned TARP before it made it to his desk. However, Liberals like you still fawn over everything Obama does. He adds Transgender rights including Obamacare and you guys say "hooray! That's my man Obama!". Now we get to pay for all transgender operations (which BTW is one of the most expensive surgeries) and I'll be there laughing my butt off when one of you complains your kids or grandkids finds out they married one. Those surgeries are getting pretty good - may even one day swap reproductive organs.
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    Really?

    Makes sense you removed the threats part of my response

    No duh deaths are likely consequences. But how these likely consequences play out are anything but predictable!
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    I removed it because it was not the part I was responding to.

    So you don't think that we can make an accurate prediction that we will have lost lives and money spent when we go to war? The amount not withstanding the predictive is still the same. Both occur.

    You may get wet as a consequence of walking out in a downpour with nothing over your head but we can also make an accurate prediction beforehand that it will occur.
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    You miss the point. If we could predict exactly how things would play out en there would be no need. But when you are fighting evil you employ the best strategy based on the information you have and proceed. From there you make strategic and tactical changes based on how things are going and learn from mistakes.

    Were there mistakes with the strategy. Very likely. But based on the information/intel they may have employed the same strategy.

    One thing we do know...

    Is none of us can pretend to know the answer!
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    In the overall fight against terrorism and radical countries it is going to be hard to make an accurate prediction as to outcome. However on a case by case conflict it becomes easier. You can look at the history of the people you are fighting; you can look at how their country is structured; you can see how others, as well as our on forces, have fared against them in the past; and you can make assessments as to what it will take in a protracted engagement and/or occupation..

    There are many, many predictors if we take the time to look.
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    In Obamian terms, Cheney's views "evolved". It happens. He should now evolve into a guy who doesn't make public comments.

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