19 firefighters killed in Arizona wildfire were part of elite Hotshot crew

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    What a terrible tragedy. May we all pause for a moment of prayer for their families.

    I dont understand why the US military does not get involved with planes and choppers to help fight a fire such as this.

    "Local fire officials have confirmed that 19 firefighters have died while battling the Yarnell Hill Fire in central Arizona.

    The Prescott Fire Department confirmed to MyFoxPhoenix that 18 firefighters, all part of a crew called the Prescott Granite Mountain Hotshots, had passed away Sunday evening. An official with the Yavapai County Sheriff's Office later confirmed to Fox News that the death toll had risen to 19.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/01/19-firefighters-killed-battling-arizona-blaze/#ixzz2XnEUgyMP
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    Couldn't believe when I saw this last night. What a shame for the families. As of last night the fire was zero contained.
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    It's really horrible. Given how these guys were probably very good at what they did, the fire must have been incredible and unpredictable.
    Best of luck to the families.
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    Not the military per se, but certainly the National Guard. I thought this sort of thing was part of their mission.
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    hard to read...may the ones left find comfort in their heroism
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    Wildfires are part of forests and some trees can't even germinate seeds until fire has done its job.

    Building in those places put other's at risk when they have to fight nature, in order to save a house in the wrong place.

    God bless those who put themselves at risk. But its time to let people know if they build in these places, the fire that will for sure come, won't be fought.

    Lives and dollars, are not worth spending on bad choices.
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    People have been living in the area for literally thousands of years. Yarnell, AZ, is about 5,000 feet above sea level, which is the elevation where the cactus starts to meet the pine forest. It's abundant in wildlife as well as minerals. The valleys in Yavapai County are rich with Native American historical sites that date back centuries, and the town of Yarnell was founded in the mid 1800's when gold was discovered and a mine built/dug. To say people shouldn't build or live in the area without knowing the history is a little silly.

    Fire is always a danger, just about everywhere in Arizona, where it's been even drier than normal. For sure, every resident in Yavapai County is well aware of the issues, and I have acquaintances that have lived there, served as local government officials or worked for local governments, and every year there are warnings, classes, and announcements to keep your yard clean of waste, cut down the weeds and grass, and keep a defensible area around your home. With that said, fire often has a mind of its own.

    And this fire did. It started a few days ago from a lightning strike, as the end of June/beginning of July start the monsoon season in Arizona. The first few "storms" are unfortunately dry, as there simply isn't enough moisture in the air for it to rain. The real issue with fire this time of year is with the winds, and yesterday, crews were almost ready to call the fire contained...until a monsoon hit. Winds kicked up incredibly quickly, changed directions, and a fire that only burned about 100-150 acres quickly spread to close to 2,000! Unfortunately, one hot shot crew, the best of the best of the best, couldn't get out quick enough, and the fire was just too hot.

    It's a real tragedy, but knowing the people of Yavapai County--real salt of the Earth kind--they will rebuild. Nothing is going to drive them out. And even with the thousands of acres burnt this year, there is still plenty of acreage left uncharred, and next year, the same thing may happen again. And when another fire crops up, you can be sure there will be heroes running toward the front lines.
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    Then no one should live in the midwest (a/k/a tornado alley), the Mississippi flood plain, below sea level behind levees (New Orleans), in Florida or anywhere along the east coast or gulf coast because of hurricanes, in California because of wild fires and earthquakes, in the pacific northwest because of mud slides, in the mountain states because of blizzards, Hawaii because of volcanos, and we should just abandon Alaska because that place will kill you before you can say 'boo'.
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    And obsama and his thugs will find a way to be pointing the finger of blame at Jan Brewer before all is said and done.

    "Never let a good crisis go to waste".
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    Wow! Pretty sad.
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    How exactly does this happen (in technical terms)?

    Also, my old neighbor used to be on a firefighting team that went to certain fires around the country when they needed specialist.. I wonder if this is the same group..
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    This was a local hot shot crew from Prescott, a town about 35 minutes away. How it happened is still under investigation, but the working theory, and most likely reason is shifting winds from the monsoon storms. The fire was almost contained late yesterday afternoon when monsoon winds acted up. The wind shifted direction and the fire quickly spread from ~150 acres to nearly 2000! The one crew got trapped as the fire quickly surrounded them. According to reports, some of the guys didn't even have time to get into their protective covers. Wouldn't have mattered, as the fire was just too hot.

    And it's a real low blow to say Obama or anyone will blame someone. 19 brave fire fighters lost their lives. Now is not the appropriate time, nor will it ever be. After the fire is put out, there will be an investigation. But not sure if anything could have been done different
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    Heart goes out to those brave souls in that firefighting crew.
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    Yeah I just did a search on the group and he's definitely not on it. My old neighbor was/is part of some type of national team of firefighters that is deployed during really big/difficult fires.

    My heart goes out to all these guys and their families.
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    May Jesus life death and resurrection give their loved ones comfort

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