10 year old Sarah had 2 lung transplants..

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    http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/...-fought-organ-donation-guidelines-had-second/

    I feel for the others on the transplant list who know that a girl with an incurable disease got two pairs of lungs why they still wait......
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    when I am done with them....
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    If everyone thought like you and me, there wouldn't be a problem. I don't fault this 10 year old girl's parents for doing everything they can to keep her alive. More people need to step up and become organ donors so there aren't waiting lists.
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    You do know that the initial lungs were in poor condition right or are you trying the justify that she should have been left to die? This is the only conclusion I can come to with respect to this thread as she had her chest tubes removed today.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/girl-breathing-lung-transplant/story?id=19521453

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    I will come right out and say it because I never hid it in the other threads, She should have never been given lungs in the first place.

    She is still dying from CF, there is no cure.
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    I wish others on here would be as forthright as you with regard to life and death decisions of others. I disagree with you but applaud your honest but will fight you with evey inch of my life.
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    I may sound like a cold hearted bastard but I am not. I try to be as realistic as I can be.
    If the girl did not have an incurable disease my thoughts on this may be different, if organs were plentiful my thoughts may be different. But both scenarios do not exist so i base my thoughts with what is in front of me.
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    I don't think you know her future and more than I do
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    I may not know it personally but the statistics from her disease, especially at her age, do not favor her. I will believe the statistics before god and day......
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    There are many people written off in this world that faced those percentages that survived. We are in age of technology and medicine. These decisions should be made between ourselves and out doctors.
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    Of course some people survive and medicine improves every day.
    The point though is in the percentages, the donor system is designed to maximize the number of people saved by the few organs that are out there. This girl is a high risk by any standard...I don't blame her family for fighting to save her and hope she beats the odds, but this case puts emotion ahead of science and math, and sets a really bad precedent for the inevitable copycat suits that will follow.
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    and if that tech and medicine were free I would possibly agree with you but its not and its cost indirectly affects everyone.

    we can go back and forth all night. With respect lets agree to disagree
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    You just don't know that, what if this girl goes on to live? What then? Are you guaranteeing she dies?
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    We should ALL be glad 96 isn't our parent.
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    Had it not been for a judge, she would be dead right now. She would have been Hussein Care Death Panel Victim #1..
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    The rules that governed her situation have been in place for decades, but don't let me stop a good partisan rant.
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    No, she very well might live. In fact, the person she took those organs from might have died with those organs too. However, it is important that the system should not be based upon the fact that you saw her picture in the paper but rather based upon the maximization of the number of expected years that can be had through the use of a scarce resource.

    People die because there are not enough organs to go around. The system should only be considered with prolonging as many lives for as long as possible, which requires statistics and scientific analysis in the design of appropriate allocation policies.

    Lets think about this as an example. Let's say that our current medical research says that a person has a 1% chance to live to 20 years while another candidate has a 5% chance. Now the person with 1% likelihood could certainly live 20 years. If we repeat the procedure 100 times, we would expect to see one live patient even. The person that had a 5% chance could certainly die. In fact 95 of them will be expected to die if we perform that procedure 100 times. However, that is 4 less expected dead people at 20 years because we gave those 100 organs to the group with a 5% survival rate than with a 1% survival rate.

    Frankly, that system is the best way system for society going forward (more people alive) and is the best way to honor the gift of those who gave those organs as their last action in this life.

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