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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by gator85jd, Aug 8, 2013.
Thank for providing me the benefit of your insight, MichiGator!
Why don't you read the content of 0's speeches rather than some article about the author's perception of the speeches? My links are directly to the speeches on the White House website. Think for yourself rather than parroting what the author of the article has written.
Awww. Look who's back.
Dude, as explained in the Fact Check article, you are taking quotes out of context (leaving out the "on the other hand" statement of what his host country had f..d up and how the US had been a force for good) and ignoring similar comments by Bush and other presidents. I get that you suck up Obama phobic propaganda like mother's milk but that doesn't mean I have to treat you as if you were a serious commentator on events. This post and my previous one are as much serious attention as you'll get from me on this subject. If you don't like it you can return to the cjs taking place elsewhere on this site. There's always one going on.
Dude, try thinking for yourself instead of having some 0 loving liberal writer think for you. Funny how the 0 apologists say he was taken out of context when he screws up a speech that he's reading from his teleprompter. Now you're going to tell me his written words are taken out of context? Dude, that's rich!! Really.
Funny that those with the 0 pads aren't going to give them up without a fight.
Your taking quotes out of context does not imply an error by the speaker. that doesn't make any sense.
It wasn't an error on 0bama's part. It's in print prepared by his speechwriters. He meant every bit of it if it's in the speech he delivered. I didn't take it out of context, either. It's quite telling that you refuse to go back to the White House website and read it. 0bama conducted his Apology Tour -- I know it may be upsetting to you, but that's what your guy did. Funny to watch you deny it with nothing to back up your denials.
"Ignore" is a beautiful feature, Austin, for posters like that.
Obama acts like a spoiled child because he IS a spoiled child-someone who has been GIVEN everything he has and has never had to work for anything.
I would never ignore Row or any other lefty poster. Where else can I possibly get such fantasy based entertainment for free? His replies to 85jd are classic lefty delusion. He completely ignores actual transcripts of a speech (from the White House no less) and tries to defend his hero by posting a editorial from another of his fellow deniers which try to claim it is all out of context. Absolutely hilarious!!!!
The best part is it's not an act. He and others actually live in that world and it is hilarious. I would never, ever, in a million years want to ignore that.
My only regret is I don't have the time anymore to be on here as much as I used to be.
Other than partisanship I'm not sure why a Bush fan would be upset about Obama's foreign policy. And I'm not sure why a Democrat that thought they would be getting something different would be happy with the foreign policy.
In terms of policy, Obama is the same as Bush. There is no other way to spin it.
Publicly Obama puts on this facade, both to foreigners and here domestically, that he gives a damn about Middle Easterners, wants to be liked, and what not. Hence the famous "apology tour" and all his speeches here.
Yet he continues to attack, use drones, etc. Nothing has changed.
CONTEXT. Try it sometime.
BTW, I listened to the complete Cairo speech in real time and heartily approve. He noted our faults - as Bush did on occasion - while underscoring our high principles and defense of liberty from which Egytpians and others could both benefit and learn. You and whatever's failure to hear a complete thought is a testament to either your complete partisanship or lack of intelligence, and neiter is anything to be proud of. You would benefit from reading Kessler's smack down of people like whatever selling this lame idea. Kessler is an equal opportunity critic, having issued numerous pinnochios to Obama and his campaign. On this issue he details how wrong you are.
Truth is..the OBL raid was done in spite of, not because of, President Jarret and her puppet Obama. I have seen this from several sources and the details, as well as timelines, make it all very plausible. I even gained respect for Hillary because of it..
Q: You stated that President Obama was “overruled” by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate?
A: I was told – in these exact terms, “we overruled him.” (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president’s “persistent hesitation to act.” There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.
I was correct in stating there had been a push to invade the compound for several weeks if not months, primarily led by Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, David Petraeus, and Jim Clapper. The primary opposition to this plan originated from Valerie Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough to create uncertainty within President Obama. Obama would meet with various components of the pro-invasion faction, almost always with Jarrett present, and then often fail to indicate his position. This situation continued for some time, though the division between Jarrett/Obama and the rest intensified more recently, most notably from Hillary Clinton. She was livid over the president’s failure to act, and her office began a campaign of anonymous leaks to the media indicating such. As for Jarrett, her concern rested on two primary fronts. One, that the military action could fail and harm the president’s already weakened standing with both the American public and the world. Second, that the attack would be viewed as an act of aggression against Muslims, and further destabilize conditions in the Middle East.
Q: What changed the president’s position and enabled the attack against Osama Bin Laden to proceed?
A: Nothing changed with the president’s opinion – he continued to avoid having one. Every time military and intelligence officials appeared to make progress in forming a position, Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin again. Hillary started the ball really rolling as far as pressuring Obama began, but it was Panetta and Petraeus who ultimately pushed Obama to finally act – sort of. Panetta was receiving significant reports from both his direct CIA sources, as well as Petraeus-originating Intel. Petraeus was threatening to act on his own via a bombing attack. Panetta reported back to the president that a bombing of the compound would result in successful killing of Osama Bin Laden, and little risk to American lives. Initially, as he had done before, the president indicated a willingness to act. But once again, Jarrett intervened, convincing the president that innocent Pakistani lives could be lost in such a bombing attack, and Obama would be left attempting to explain Panetta’s failed policy. Again Obama hesitated – this time openly delaying further meetings to discuss the issue with Panetta. A brief meeting was held at this time with other officials, including Secretary Gates and members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but Gates, like Panetta, was unable to push the president to act. It was at this time that Gates indicated to certain Pentagon officials that he may resign earlier than originally indicated – he was that frustrated. Both Panetta and Clinton convinced him to stay on and see the operation through.
What happened from there is what was described by me as a “masterful manipulation” by Leon Panetta. Panetta indicated to Obama that leaks regarding knowledge of Osama Bin Laden’s location were certain to get out sooner rather than later, and action must be taken by the administration or the public backlash to the president’s inaction would be “…significant to the point of political debilitation.” It was at that time that Obama stated an on-ground campaign would be far more acceptable to him than a bombing raid. This was intended as a stalling tactic, and it had originated from Jarrett. Such a campaign would take both time, and present a far greater risk of failure. The president had been instructed by Jarrett to inform Mr., Panetta that he would have sole discretion to act against the Osama Bin Laden compound. Jarrett believed this would further delay Panetta from acting, as the responsibility for failure would then fall almost entirely on him. What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him –and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound. Basically, the whole damn operation was already ready to go – including the specific team support Intel necessary to engage the enemy within hours of being given notice. Panetta then made plans to proceed with an on-ground assault. This information reached either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates first (likely via military contacts directly associated with the impending mission) who then informed the other. Those two then met with Panetta, who informed each of them he had been given the authority by the president to proceed with a mission if the opportunity presented itself. Both Gates and Clinton warned Panetta of the implications of that authority – namely he was possibly being made into a scapegoat. Panetta admitted that possibility, but felt the opportunity to get Bin Laden outweighed that risk. During that meeting, Hillary Clinton was first to pledge her full support for Panetta, indicating she would defend him if necessary. Similar support was then followed by Gates. The following day, and with Panetta’s permission, Clinton met in private with Bill Daley and urged him to get the president’s full and open approval of the Panetta plan. Daley agreed such approval would be of great benefit to the action, and instructed Clinton to delay proceeding until he had secured that approval. Daley contacted Clinton within hours of their meeting indicating Jarrett refused to allow the president to give that approval. Daley then informed Clinton that he too would fully support Panetta in his actions, even if it meant disclosing the president’s indecision to the American public should that action fail to produce a successful conclusion. Clinton took that message back to Panetta and the CIA director initiated the 48 hour engagement order. At this point, the President of the United States was not informed of the engagement order – it did not originate from him, and for several hours after the order had been given and the special ops forces were preparing for action into Pakistan from their position in Afghanistan, Daley successfully kept Obama and Jarrett insulated from that order.
This insulation ended at some point with an abort order that I believe originated from Valerie Jarrett’s office, and was then followed up by President Obama. This abort order was later explained as a delay due to weather conditions, but the actual conditions at that time would have been acceptable for the mission. A storm system had been in the area earlier, but was no longer an issue. Check the data yourself to confirm. Jarrett, having been caught off guard, was now scrambling to determine who had initiated the plan. She was furious, repeating the acronym “CoC” and saying it was not being followed. This is where Bill Daley intervened directly. The particulars of that intervention are not clear to me beyond knowing he did meet with Jarrett in his office and following that meeting, Valerie Jarrett was not seen in the West Wing for some time, and apparently no longer offered up any resistance to the Osama Bin Laden mission. What did follow from there was one or more brief meetings between Bill Daley, Hillary Clinton, a representative from Robert Gates’ office, a representative from Leon Panetta’s office, and a representative from Jim Clapper’s office. I have to assume that these meetings were in essence, detailing the move to proceed with the operation against the Osama Bin Laden compound. I have been told by more than one source that Leon Panetta was directing the operation with both his own CIA operatives, as well as direct contacts with military – both entities were reporting to Panetta only at this point, and not the President of the United States. There was not going to be another delay as had happened 24 hour earlier. The operation was at this time effectively unknown to President Barack Obama or Valerie Jarrett and it remained that way until AFTER it had already been initiated. President Obama was literally pulled from a golf outing and escorted back to the White House to be informed of the mission. Upon his arrival there was a briefing held which included Bill Daley, John Brennan, and a high ranking member of the military. When Obama emerged from the briefing, he was described as looking “very confused and uncertain.” The president was then placed in the situation room where several of the players in this event had already been watching the operation unfold. Another interesting tidbit regarding this is that the Vice President was already “up to speed” on the operation. A source indicated they believe Hillary Clinton had personally made certain the Vice President was made aware of that day’s events before the president was. The now famous photo released shows the particulars of that of that room and its occupants. What that photo does not communicate directly is that the military personnel present in that room during the operation unfolding, deferred to either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates. The president’s role was minimal, including their acknowledging of his presence in the room.
At the conclusion of the mission, after it had been repeatedly confirmed a success, President Obama was once again briefed behind closed doors. The only ones who went in that room besides the president were Bill Daley. John Brennan, and a third individual whose identity remains unknown to me. When leaving this briefing, the president came out of it “…much more confident. Much more certain of himself.” He was also carrying papers in his hand that quite possibly was the address to the nation given later that evening on the Bin Laden mission. The president did not have those papers with him prior to that briefing. The president then returned to the war room, where by this time, Leon Panetta had personally arrived and was receiving congratulations from all who were present.
In my initial communication to you of these events I described what unfolded as a temporary Coup initiated by high ranking intelligence and military officials. I stand by that term. These figures worked around the uncertainty of President Obama and the repeated resistance of Valerie Jarrett. If they had not been willing to do so, I am certain Osama Bin Laden would still be alive today. There will be no punishment to those who acted outside the authority of the president’s office. The president cannot afford to admit such a fact. What will be most interesting from here is to now see what becomes of Valerie Jarrett. One source indicated she is threatening resignation. I find that unlikely given my strong belief she needs the protection afforded her by the Oval Office and its immense powers to delay and eventually terminate investigations back in Chicago, but we shall see.
Trying to be fair, I asked myself what is the best response.
Not going to the Olympics has never been successful and punishes the wrong people.
Not meeting with Putin which is what Barry has chosen-Trying hard to see what this accomplishes. Can't really see it as the best option.
I would prefer he kept the meeting and would not have viewed it as weak. But that's just one conservatives opinion.
Of course he knows his way around bad characters-Bernadette Dorn, Bill Ayers, the not so Reverend Wright, commie dad, wacked out mom,their ilk is all he has ever been around.
That's a pretty good observation actually. He certainly campaigned as if it would be different. Pubs said-when he got in he would realize that his campaign crap wouldn't float. It looks different to the public because the media spins the public perception.
The apology tour was uncalled for and made Barry look weak from the start-spun different by the media of course.
Looks like Row had to succumb to the truth of the apology tour. It happened and some writer can not change that.
Oh, and Rahm Emanuel.
Bad, bad character.
come on law-I didn't have time to name all of them. But we shall add Valerie Jarret to the scumbag list and Eric the racist Holder.
Yes because as we all know the actual text of the speech couldn't possibly be in context. Too funny. You just can't make this stuff up.
And for the record, based on your lack of reading and comprehension abilities in regards to all things Obama I really have zero faith in reference to your listening abilities when he speaks. I am guessing you are another of those that 'get tingles down the leg' when he talks. So please spare us all with what you heard him say.
By the way, do those 'high principles' you claim Obama told the Egyptians they could learn from include...... Benghazi, ignoring numerous warnings regarding terrorists entering our country, targeting political opponents with the IRS, our spying on every country we think might be a threat, listening to all our citizens phone conversations, reading our emails, reading this post??? Those 'high principles'??? As I stated in my first post here, this and prior administrations have zero business telling anyone about policy until we clean up our own act. Putin and others are just not going to buy into 'do as I say, not as I do' as readily as the 47% do here in our country.
who will be the first to document the real course of events as spelled out by flyinggator? Jarrett is the puppet master but who does she answer to? Anybody else find it odd that Michelle has no problem wirh Jarrett having such power over her husband? Who is Valerie Jarrett and how did she become so powerful? Guess we know why Daley got the boot, he bypassed VJ