RNC Report: Pubs are scary old white men

[jdrgator]

Originally Posted by DeanMeadGator

In response, I am white and old (68). Anyone who says such individuals are out of touch is very ill-informed.

My wife and I started with nothing in 1967. I served during the war in 'Nam from 1967 to 1971. During my service, we had two children. When I graduated from law school in 1973, we had two children, $500.00 and a beat up VW.

We put 3 children through college and have 6 grandchildren. We have devoted our lives to our kids and grandkids. I have done pro bono work as a lawyer for a number of years, and given a lot of money to charity.

My wife and I will have been married for 46 years in May. I still practice law full time despite having had two brain surgeries 7 years ago.

I will tell you what is scary - people who are uninformed and draw conclusions that have no factual foundation or supporting facts. People who make ill-founded assumptions about ethnicity, age and gender do so without taking the time to study the issue and come to a rational and factually based conclusion.

Moreover, painting any group with a wide brush ignores the subtle yet profound differences between those encompassed in the group who are protrayed as having the same thoughts, philosophies, views of life, beliefs, and political affiliations.

Your personal story is admirable. But this is about how the group is perceived--particularly the group that holds the levers of power. That people see predominantly white men in power in the republican party, more so than the democratic party is not simply painting with a broad brush, it's reality. And though I don't think the dems are better in some ways, the party does better reflect the demographic changes to society.

That is what the report recognizes and to which I believe we've known for quite awhile. It's a good thing that this laundry gets aired out because those demographic changes won't be reversing any time soon.

And fyi, I do study these issues so those denying it as some contrived and baseless assumption actually refuse to see what is right in front of them.

[JerseyGator01]

1 black Dem in Senate. One black Pub in Senate. Some people aren't good at math. Let the media brainwashing continue ...

Another survey recently showed that the public tends to agree more with Pub policies than the image. Again, propaganda at its finest.

[wgbgator]

Originally Posted by JerseyGator01

1 black Dem in Senate. One black Pub in Senate. Some people aren't good at math. Let the media brainwashing continue ...

Another survey recently showed that the public tends to agree more with Pub policies than the image. Again, propaganda at its finest.

Members of Congressional Black caucus currently:

43 (D) 0 (R)

6 black Republicans elected since caucus founded.

Yes, some people aren't good at math.

[g8tr80]

Through political correctness, the Democratic Party and Progressives in general have been able to stifle all forms of open discourse. I give them incredible props for that. They control the dialogue in this country. They tell us what is important and what is not. You see it all around you all the time (Immigrants are no longer illegal, just undocumented - and on, and on , and on.....). You cannot debate without the fear of personal attack. Case in point, in Philly a magazine came out with a story on being White in Philadelphia. It was about white perceptions as it relates to race relations. Right or wrong, the overlying perception is that whites cannot speak of race without being labeled racist. In summary, whites have learned to live with that fact. Interesting article. One should read it.

Right on cue, the Black Mayor called the magazine racist run by out of touch white old men.

This country is doomed.

[g8orbill]

Who gives a rats arse whether pubs are old white men- the problem isn't their age it is that they are conservative and liberal bastids want to destroy this country

[T3goalie]

RNC is ship of fools.

[OaktownGator]

In summary, Pubs are skeery old white men, and Liberal bastids want to destroy the country.

Boils Too Hot down to its essence.

[g8orbill]

Yes it does

[HudsonGator]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

Members of Congressional Black caucus currently:

43 (D) 0 (R)

6 black Republicans elected since caucus founded.

Yes, some people aren't good at math.

Thank you, I was just about to type this.

[DeanMeadGator]

Originally Posted by jdrgator

RNC Report shows what we already knew. People see it as a party of "stuffy old white men" who are "scary" and "out of touch."

Good for them for publishing it, though.

People who make such inane statements demonstrate a remarkable inability to engage in anything other than baseless rhetoric which requires no intelligent thought or analysis. It requires no effort to make comments such as these. My grandfather lived to be 99, and I can assure you that he had more insight into world and national events than people 1/3 his age.

In most countries, age is associated with the aquisition of wisdom based on life experiences. In America, youth is glorified, and older people are considered to be useless antiquities to be cast aside.

My insight into reality is, among other things, based on the loss of a 21 year old friend who stepped on a land mine in Vietnam, and watching a grandchild who is profoundly autistic struggle to learn what most people would consider to be simple in the extreme.

I may be "old," but I am not "scary" or "out of touch." Those who are out of touch lack the ability to understand and appreciate the fact that generalization is an exercise that requires neither effort nor intelligent thought.

No group of people is alike. The members of an ill-defined and amorphous group have different views of what is important, what the guiding principles of their lives are, what their empathy for others is and how they care for those who suffer through no fault of their own.

Substitute words in the description of the members of the named party and see whether it describes the members of the other party. I dare say that it does not.

I am an American and believe in all that is good. I do not take it upon myself to make the baseless assumption that others do not hold such beliefs.

I do believe that foisting off a debt that cannot be repaid on our children and grandchildren is immoral.

[dynogator]

Originally Posted by OaktownGator

In summary, Pubs are skeery old white men, and Liberal bastids want to destroy the country.

Boils Too Hot down to its essence.

I applaud your insight and brevity!

[LittleBlueLW]

Whats so scary about an old white man?

[GatorNorth]

Originally Posted by rivergator

Pretty sure the fat ones are conservatives.

The males at least......

[MichiGator2002]

Not for nothing, but one of the reasons there aren't any black republicans in the House is because one is now in the Senate, and another the Democrats moved heaven and earth to expurgate from the House.

[jdrgator]

Originally Posted by DeanMeadGator

People who make such inane statements demonstrate a remarkable inability to engage in anything other than baseless rhetoric which requires no intelligent thought or analysis. It requires no effort to make comments such as these. My grandfather lived to be 99, and I can assure you that he had more insight into world and national events than people 1/3 his age.

In most countries, age is associated with the aquisition of wisdom based on life experiences. In America, youth is glorified, and older people are considered to be useless antiquities to be cast aside.

My insight into reality is, among other things, based on the loss of a 21 year old friend who stepped on a land mine in Vietnam, and watching a grandchild who is profoundly autistic struggle to learn what most people would consider to be simple in the extreme.

I may be "old," but I am not "scary" or "out of touch." Those who are out of touch lack the ability to understand and appreciate the fact that generalization is an exercise that requires neither effort nor intelligent thought.

No group of people is alike. The members of an ill-defined and amorphous group have different views of what is important, what the guiding principles of their lives are, what their empathy for others is and how they care for those who suffer through no fault of their own.

Substitute words in the description of the members of the named party and see whether it describes the members of the other party. I dare say that it does not.

I am an American and believe in all that is good. I do not take it upon myself to make the baseless assumption that others do not hold such beliefs.

I do believe that foisting off a debt that cannot be repaid on our children and grandchildren is immoral.

There's much to agree with you about DeanMead; age and wisdom and about "being careful" of judging others, whether individuals or groups... And I appreciate your providing background about your personal life, there's much to admire. If we diverge, it is because I disagree with the implicit suggestion that judging a group is necessarily inane or that it necessarily indicts the individual. We make judgments all the time about others, some very fair, some not.

Re: the op specifically; yes, the RNC Report confirmed to me on some level what was already known, that the GOP has had an image problem and has done a terrible job in outreach to minorities. I know race is an uncomfortable topic for many. To be maliciously smeared with the racism label as some on the right have been--would make any of us righteously angry. Yet, I've gone out of my way to distinguish my argument from those calling people racist or to make blanket statements about all pubs.

None of this is to say I think the dems are more virtuous, not by any means, but the left has in some ways learned how to talk about race issues in a better way. In any case, my intention was not to smear a particular person or generalize to everyone on the right.

[DeanMeadGator]

Originally Posted by jdrgator

RNC Report shows what we already knew. People see it as a party of "stuffy old white men" who are "scary" and "out of touch."

Good for them for publishing it, though.

I know and am friends with lots of "old white men." Most have degrees in law or medicine. Most are > 68 years old. All are still actively practicing law or medicine. All work full-time. Most of us work more than 10 hours a day.

All are active, astute, well-informed and highly intelligent. Not one of them is "out of touch." Not one is "scary." All are active in their professions and their communities, and have different opinions on a wide variety of topics. Not one is "stuffy."

Substantially all politicians refuse to depart from the mandates and forced positions of their party. There is no rational interchange of ideas with the hope of arriving at an idependent opinion based on the exercise of intellect.

I am a Republican because I do not believe that it is prudent to spend more than one makes. The same is true in business. The same is true in countries (to wit, it is not prudent to ruin the economic well-being of the United States and the present and future citizens thereof by spending trillions that we do not have and will never be able to repay).

My wife of 46 years is a Democrat. We have "lively" debates on politics. We agree that one should never spend more than one makes. Therefore, we owe no one any money. Our children will not inherit our debts.

"If you ever injected truth into politics, you have no politics." Will Rogers - July 15, 1923

[T3goalie]

Originally Posted by DeanMeadGator

I am a Republican because I do not believe that it is prudent to spend more than one makes. The same is true in business. The same is true in countries (to wit, it is not prudent to ruin the economic well-being of the United States and the present and future citizens thereof by spending trillions that we do not have and will never be able to repay).

My wife of 46 years is a Democrat. We have "lively" debates on politics. We agree that one should never spend more than one makes. Therefore, we owe no one any money. Our children will not inherit our debts.


"If you ever injected truth into politics, you have no politics." Will Rogers - July 15, 1923

I agree with your statement in reference to personal spending, business spending and Government spending... Although i am not an old fart, just a middle age fart , I live my life the same way. No credit card debt, no car debt, a paid off home, zero debt! It must be a common characteristic for tax lawyers.

Now, if we could convince the RNC and the DC Republican politicians of this, the GOP might actually have value. The problem is that while our children will inherit none of our debts, our children and grandchildren will inherit the debts of the harlots in the power, including those incurred from the pigs at the trough in the Republican party.

In fact Boehner's last deal with the President increased my share of the overall Debt by $21,000. The House holds the purse strings yet Boehner folds, failing to realize his power or his obligations. What i fail to see is how the Republicons represent my view or your view in this matter. Candidly i find the jackasses policies reprehensible, but they are at least more forthcoming about their desire to print, spend and subsidize. The GOP talks a good game once in a while but they walk far different than they talk. In short, they are full of crap. Neither party has the guts or the apparent desire to call a spade a spade and acknowledge the immorality of burdening future generations with debt for current benefits. None of them stand for anything other than getting elected! By the way your writing style is similar to BM's.

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by LittleBlueLW

Whats so scary about an old white man?

Old People's Smell.

[JerseyGator01]

This thread smell and probably would have been shut down by a mod if it was about black people.

[Lawdog88]

It's an outrage, I tell you.