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Old 03-18-2013, 02:24 PM   #1
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Limey Football. University finals this past Saturday.





I understand their skill level being lower - after all they aren't exposed to it from the time they're old enough to walk like American kids are and they don't have the opportunity to play for years and years prior to college like American kids do. The enthusiasm is pretty cool. One criticism though....where are the cheerleaders? We know Britain clearly has the talent for it. We've all seen page 3.
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Old 03-18-2013, 02:43 PM   #2
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Hmmm....maybe a little work is needed on the punting game.
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I'm sick and tired of those dirty thugs the Hertfordshire Hurricanes keep recruiting.
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The goal posts are exactly what you would expect in Britain. Soccer goal with two long pieces of PVC pipe strapped to the outside posts of the goal to make the uprights. Perfect!
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Old 03-18-2013, 03:06 PM   #5
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Nice to see. Actually skill level is better than I thought it might be. Like the op said, some good enthusiasm. I would love to see American Football catch on in Europe and anywhere else for that matter.
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Old 03-18-2013, 03:21 PM   #6
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Their playstyle looked a bit like rugby.
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This is so cool! I didn't know anyone over there was even attempting to play football.

I'm not sure what the guys in stripes were doing, other than marking the ball placement. They sure seemed to be in "let them play" mode.
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Just looked like football to me.
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There's like 2 dozen soccor goals of all sizes in the background.
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There's also a pick-up game of footy being played in the background.
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annnnnd Chinese football.

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PS, let me add that with Chinese football, now I am especially disappointed at the lack of cheerleaders.
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annnnnd Chinese football.

What is that thing on the top of the QB helmet??? Camera? Antenna? GPS?
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Ok, ok. Where do I start on this? I feel as one of the board's pre-eminent Limey-knowledgeables, I should impart any feedback, further information that I can...

First of all, a bit of background.

"College Football" has only really existed here for a very short time and was only put on the map of official UK university sports very recently. It has official been around for 30 years since the 80s when the British were just starting to deepen their niche-love affair with American Football. A handful... and I *mean* a handful of universities offered it as 'another past time', no more. And played at a very low level indeed, make no bones. And while the game grew in popularity over here as a result, watching it was a whole bunch different from playing it! I don't need to explain to you about the differences!

When I went to Uni (Lancaster) in 1997 with the woo of UF in my middle year, I will confess I knew little about American football and was shocked to see that Lancaster had its own team, the Bombers. One Sunday I walked down to see a game they were playing against a fellow university team. This was on a rugby pitch (hence at least they had rugby posts) but I swear if there were 10 spectators, I wouldn't bet on it. Most were walking their dogs and stopping out of curiosity on an open playing field.

I was interested in joining but to be honest, it looked a bit 'cliquey' so I didn't pursue it. [Fast forward 12 months and I found out what American Football was really all about at UF! Glad of it too!...]

Bring it forward and the game is starting to pick up some real serious love. I'm sure you've seen a full Wembley (90,000) for the NFL games. Tickets for those sell out rapidly - the fan base is growing all the time. The love of the game in terms of watching though is starting to trickle effectively into playing but recognise it's at a very, very immature stage still. But a lot of these kids are young and interested. Every nation has it's athletes. Due respect but not enough of ours are yet drawn into American football but it will continue to grow.

Why? Sky Sports! Our major sports network carries NFL Sundays like yours and we also have access to the college football (via ESPN America) so for the partisan fans, it's available and still growing.

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The clips Hungary Gator showed aren't from this year I don't believe. I think they were dated from last year. I understand the finals are due to be played this Saturday 23rd (used to be played in a 'soccer stadium') with proper posts but as you said they are often rugby pitches which have been adapted. Playing space is valuable in this small nation of ours - having dedicated pitches is not yet in our young blueprint yet but hopefully one day? Most unis will not even be as equipped as the one you saw...

University leagues are the key - clubs are springing up all over the nation, often founded by passionate kids coming out of uni who have played.

The Hertfordshire Hurricanes team is in the final again this year I believe - playing their arch rival Birmingham. - both have lots of success (I believe the Hurricanes are the defending "SEC Champions" and National Champions How do you like THEM apples, huh?!!! the 'Canes!!! Euuugh).

Put simply the standard is not high and keep in mind, that team BATTERED most of its opponents this year. It went 8-0 in regular season, was seeded #1 and had a points differential of +407 in its 8 league games. Yep. Let's just say the standard varies from university to university...

We do have cheerleaders, Hungary but you can make your own determination on them. I doubt they will be what you are expecting. (Be kind... I have linked the website of the Birmingham Pussycats official Cheerleading team - they support their team, the Lions, but much like American Football has yet to grow, cheerleading has done so even slower)

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* Your Hertfordshire comment was brilliant, MadduxFan. It's one of the posher areas in Britain so you ironically gave me a satirical giggle.

* The Punting Game sure as heck needs some work. As does most of it

* The game is growing but competing with 'soccer' makes it hard. Kids kick a ball from walking over here. American football won't reach most of these kids for 15-20 years after that. That IS changing though - many young kids are now getting a chance to play flag football in small local clubs. It is growing but it takes time!

* We have a guy called Vernon Kay who is a pretty famous British TV presenter and Radio 1 DJ - he plays American Football in the National League (he's a good safety I believe for the London Warriors) and he promotes the game excellently. He's a big Baltimore fan so he's happy right now. He and the rest of the team also met Ray Lewis last year who dropped in and did some clinics with him. If you assume all British football fans aren't knowledgeable about him/it, take a look at this reaction when he dropped in. This video gives me chills!

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* I did laugh on my old Universities' website where it claims:

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This is serious competitive football equivalent to High School football in the states We compete within the Northern Conference in the BUAFL league
...personally, I'd like to see them play a Florida HS team. Ha! Somehow saying it's equivalent is... well, a bit of a reach !

* To be clear. When you say "it's like how we must look to Europeans playing soccer", actually no it's not. The US is MUCH better at soccer than we are at American football and it's not even close. The game is still in its infancy but it will grow and I'm excited to see that.

* Keep an eye on the draft this year. A certain Menelik Watson (OL - FSU *boo, hiss*!) is a possible first rounder is from Manchester, England! His story is incredible -only a very late convert to the game after starting out as a basketballer but it's hard for me not to pull for the guy, Nole or not, with his broad Mancunian Accent set for the big show. Talented kid too it seems and he's only going to grow/develop, I reckon!

* Finally, make no bones that my 1 year old boy has 2 soft balls to play with: one is a football but the other is an American Football which he loves. I will keep that in front of him and if he shows the same interest going forward, he will undoubtedly be skilled at it relative to most of his British peers as he gets older. He has orange hair and blue eyes too so he's got Gator written all over him I'm going to keep encouraging him to play. He has a bit of timber around the waistline already and is as strong as an ox too so I figure he's got line of scrimmage in his future. That'll do, though. Hopefully DeBigLeezard can give him some tips!

Sorry for the looooong post. Insight over!
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Limey, what's the general feeling towards American Football over there? Do a lot of people thumb their nose at it because it's American?
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Limey, what's the general feeling towards American Football over there? Do a lot of people thumb their nose at it because it's American?
Not at all. I think a lot of sports fans are mixed so a general perception is hard to gauge.

Most of those I know LOVE the game. I will openly admit that with hockey, American football is my favourite. My Granddad loves the game too and several of my mates do as well - if anything the attitude is "I wish this was bigger!" or had got here sooner.

Because Rugby-Union and Rugby-League are both big here you get subjected to the same old cliches from their staunch fans of "Ah, it's just rugby in pads!" but you can usually identify/generalise these types as guys who have never really watched American Football and are just posturing. I'd like to see a rugby player watch Major Wright's hit in the NCG a few years back and offer to repeat something like that in their own next game...

As for being cross at it being American, far from it. I think it's become quite commonly accepted now that the US major Sports are something we love and frankly can't emulate well at all. You tend to get known as a "US Sports Fan" over here if you are. I know I do. That's great though - there's no snobbery with it. Long may it grow and continue! (No doubt, NFL is the biggest of the 4 though!)
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Limey...thanks for your insights.

1) the cheerleaders ain't bad. Hey, I freely acknowledge -as the show title has it - Britain's got talent. There are definitely some serious babes who would be...ummm....."talented" cheerleaders. LOL!

2) The play is probably at about 2A or 3A HS level. Again, I understand. Kids here are born and raised with it, watch it with their dad and older brothers from as far back as they can remember, toss the ball and catch in the backyard, then play Pop Warner, then Junior high, then High School....at least plenty of them like yours truly did. By the time a kid is a HS Senior, he may well have 7 or 8 years of playing experience in addition to watching it all his life. Of course there will be no comparison in skill level just like it is for most American kids who try to play soccer vs European kids who grow up with that.

Those teams would IMO get crushed by the bigger Florida High Schools because....umm....not to be "racist" or anything but....oh lawdy lawd this is so UN-PC to say but we all know its true....there are just too many white guys on the field. LOL! OK a little deeper analysis...the punting games need work. This is basic. A blocked punt is a freaking DISASTER and shouldn't normally happen unless somebody really screws up. To have multiple blocked punts in a game....that needs work. Next thing is...both sides really need some big strong Defensive Tackles to clog the middle....much shorter, thicker and stronger than what I saw on that tape....or if they're gonna be as tall as some of those DL looked then 100 pounds heavier.

The enthusiasm was really cool to see though, there was some nice execution of ball fakes and option plays and the passing game looked pretty decent from what I could tell.

I saw a game when I lived in Germany...it was a league open to anybody and there were guys in their early 40's at some of the line positions. It was funny to see some of the national stereotypes hold true (the Germans were pretty crisp/disciplined in their execution) While the cheerleaders they had were not bad - and oh yes, Germany has talent too.....ahem......they didn't seem to have quite the....ummm....enthusiasm for it....LOL!

As a fan of the game I really do enjoy seeing others take it up. I hope it catches on. Considering football shares a common origin with and is obviously a cousin to soccer and especially Rugby, it would be especially cool to see it re-imported back to its mother country. (I really like Rugby and would like to see it become far more popular in the states - great game).
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I'm tempted to try some elaborate identity fraud thing just so I could try out for one of the British university football teams. I was never good enough to even dream of football glory at the HS level here, but hell, I might have a shot with these guys.
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I'm tempted to try some elaborate identity fraud thing just so I could try out for one of the British university football teams. I was never good enough to even dream of football glory at the HS level here, but hell, I might have a shot with these guys.
Fear not!

From the Hertfordshire Hurricanes "Recruiting" (Haha!) page:

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There is no restriction on eligibility beyond fulfilment of requirement to be a current student of the university. Previous years of play at the university level and/or professional status do not effect eligibility. Single semester students are eligible to play during their time at the university, however, it is difficult to integrate players in such a short period unless they have considerable experience of the sport.
I read that as "if you're an ex-NFLer and you want a degree from the University of Hertfordshire (insert academic joke here --->>>) you can play for their team. Ripe for manipulation!

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You gotta pay your own way. Normally!
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