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03-18-2013, 09:47 AM
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American Energy Boom
Good read here introducing a series that will delve a little deeper into the subject for anybody that might be intereseted. If this administration would embrace this instead of trying to muffle it with additional taxes and regulations our economy would be soaring
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/powe...id=msnhp&pos=3
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In a four-part series starting Monday and continuing over the next three weeks, NBC News and CNBC will examine how this boom occurred almost overnight and look at the implications that U.S. energy independence would have for the U.S. economy, other types of energy, foreign policy and the environment.
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“There’s a great expression in the oil business: ‘Oil’s been found where it’s been found before,’” said Scott Tinker, director of the Bureau of Economic Geology at the University of Texas. “These big oil- and gas-rich basins already are producing from the conventional reservoirs that leaked off of the shale. Most of these big basins … have rich source rocks."
"The source rocks are the kitchen where the oil and gas are cooked before they leaked out into the conventional reservoir," he added. "We’ve drilled the conventional reservoir. There’s still some to be drilled, but the kitchen is what we’re drilling now, and it contains a lot more oil and gas than what was leaked.”
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Thanks to the new drilling techniques, an estimated 2,200 trillion cubic feet of recoverable natural gas in the U.S. – or a century’s worth -- and billions of barrels of oil are now believed to be locked in rock formations, spanning from California to Pennsylvania, according to the EIA.
The U.S. government estimated in 2010 that the U.S. had proven reserves of just 25.2 billion barrels of oil – or about four years’ worth at recent consumption rates. The “tight oil,” or unconventional oil supply, is believed to be double that amount, or about 58 billion barrels, according to John Staub, an analyst with the EIA.
That means the U.S. now is estimated to have total technically recoverable resources equaling 223 billion barrels when all potential offshore oil and in tight oil zones are taken into account, he said.
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Stark, like others in the industry, said it's difficult for drillers to know just what they’re going to find. But in many cases, he said, wells are producing more than anticipated. For example, Stark noted, he estimated last year that the Three Forks area in the northern Bakken Shale had one reservoir. “Now it looks like an additional two or [three] lower reservoirs are also yielding commercial production,” he said, noting that could mean an additional 5 billion or 6 billion barrels.
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03-18-2013, 08:07 PM
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Interesting stuff.
I'm not sure what "fracking" is but as long as it doesn't pollute the air or water it is fien by me. I am not a geologist, scientest or engineer. I am ignorant, for the most part, of what they are talking about but it seems we humans just keep getting smarter and smarter when it comes to exploiting the erath's resources.
I'm hoping by the time we use up the known reserves we develop greener energy as replacements for the finite energy.
I'll be quite dead by then it would appear so carry on.
I think the Pres is trying to quell some of this because it is dirty, on th eother hand, until we use up the dirty fuels the clean fuels are not economically viable so, what the hell, we might as well burn up the dirty stuff and get it over with.
It really is a complicated issue.
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03-18-2013, 08:24 PM
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I severely doubt this Administration will be the one to reap the rewards from the energy boom with as radical as most of them are.
Ironic, given that the energy boom literally has the potential for hundreds of thousands of jobs in the manufacturing/industrial sector, commercial and services sector (you'll always need lawyers and contract administrators for these types of operations), and the engineering sector too.
Certain states are capitalizing already (North Dakota and Texas are notable examples)--others won't be too far behind. I think Midwestern states like Ohio, Kentucky, and Pennsylvania are other natural areas for expansion too...most of the industrial base to make the pipes and drilling equipment is still there, just need to rebuild the labor force.
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03-18-2013, 09:36 PM
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This administration would rather see the economy flail and flounder rather than encourage energy exploration in this country. The economic rewards could be huge, but it won't happen under Obama's watch. He's more interested in stifling energy production than seeing the economy rebound.
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03-18-2013, 09:38 PM
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This administration would rather see the economy flail and flounder rather than encourage energy exploration in this country. The economic rewards could be huge, but it won't happen under Obama's watch. He's more interested in stifling energy production than seeing the economy rebound.
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this^^^^^
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03-18-2013, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by geauxgator1
This administration would rather see the economy flail and flounder rather than encourage energy exploration in this country. The economic rewards could be huge, but it won't happen under Obama's watch. He's more interested in stifling energy production than seeing the economy rebound.
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What!! He said himself he's going to create jobs in energy because that's the future! He said it himself, he's the president he doesn't lie! None of them ever do!
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03-18-2013, 09:49 PM
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can you imagine if Clinton would have tried to use regulation and taxes to stifle the internet revolution? 0 has been handed the golden goose to solve our economic problems and is trying to keep it locked in the cellar so his muscovy duck won't look ugly out on the front lawn.
Ohio, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Kansas, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Colorado, Wyoming are all prospering from the energy boom. This is in addition to ND, Louisiana, and Texas. Heck, even New Mexico is producing oil now and NY would be sharing in the riches if htye had not put a moratorium on fracking. Ironic that without the energy boom in Ohio, the unemployment and economic condition of that state would probably had given it to the pubs. Steel plants, ethylene plants, chemical plants all built or being built in Ohio/WV
and the monterrey shale in California holds more oil than all other known shales in the us combined and they haven't even started tapping that yet.
good set of videos here for anybody that shows the process in laymans terms
http://www.contres.com/operations/te...lic-fracturing
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03-18-2013, 09:52 PM
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^^^^ thank god! Layman's terms! =)
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03-18-2013, 10:22 PM
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can you imagine if Clinton would have tried to use regulation and taxes to stifle the internet revolution? 0 has been handed the golden goose to solve our economic problems and is trying to keep it locked in the cellar so his muscovy duck won't look ugly out on the front lawn.
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An extremely apt analogy--and fitting question.
Part of why America became a global superpower at the turn of the 20th century was that we were blessed with rich (and abundant) natural resources and married that with a productive population. Many countries aren't (or weren't) nearly as fortunate.
I really do see the energy revolution as being the spark to reignite the American economy--if we take advantage of it and play our cards right, as our historical leaders usually did.
"Made in America" is making a comeback as Chinese manufacturing is starting to grow more expensive (wages have been rising there over the last decade...and the cost to transport it here has gone up) and American consumers are becoming more conscious of supporting American manufacturing. American workers might still be more expensive than others, but if that's balanced out by US companies having low energy bills at the end of the month, you'd start to see many companies start to shift more production back home.
And I've never seen why Obama (or any politician for that matter) has to make energy production/policy a zero-sum game. Why not allocate part of the tax royalties from expanding natural gas and oil production to funding renewables? The potential is there...but the technology is not--and it needs significant investment to get going. Get the best of all worlds and take advantage of our 100+ year supply now..while ensuring sufficient funding goes to making renewables the future. We secure our short-term, intermediate-term, and long-term energy future.
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03-19-2013, 10:12 PM
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http://blogs.marketwatch.com/energy-...eaches-record/
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North Dakota’s crude-oil production reached a record 770,000 barrels a day on average in December, the Energy Information Administration said Monday.
Annual production in the home of the Bakken formation more than doubled between 2010 and 2012 through the use of hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, and horizontal drilling. Almost 95%
North Dakota is the No. 2 crude producing state after Texas. It accounted for 10% of the U.S. production.
Much of the oil leaves the state by trucks to rail. Bakken oil trades at a discount in relation to “Texas tea” West Texas Intermediate, the benchmark oil traded in the New York Mercantile Exchange, due at least in part to transportation hiccups.
Some 75% of production in the four counties where oil production concentrates is transported by truck — which can become dicey very quickly. A blizzard warning is in effect for southeast North Dakota on Monday, the National Weather Service said
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that is 770,000 bopd we do not have to import that is generating tens of thousands of jobs, making a lot of property owners with mineral rights very wealthy, and keeping around $77 Million a day here in the US instead of being exported. And it is only going to get better. Too bad we don't have a pipeline to get it to market and it has to travel by truck, rail, and barge to get to market.
and they are just getting started...
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03-19-2013, 10:22 PM
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The Shenandoah-2 well, which spud on September 16, 2012 and drilled in approximately 5,800 feet of water to a total depth of 31,405 feet, encountered net oil pay in excess of 1,000 feet. The well is approximately 1,700 feet structurally down-dip from the Shenandoah-1 discovery, which was drilled in Walker Ridge Block 52 in 2009 and encountered net pay approaching 300 feet. Venari holds a 10% working interest in Shenandoah. Venari and its co-owners Anadarko Petroleum Corporation (NYSE: APC), as operator (30%), ConocoPhillips (NYSE: COP) (30%), Cobalt International Energy (NYSE: CIE) (20%) and Marathon Oil Corporation (NYSE: MRO) (10%) are evaluating the Shenandoah well results and assessing the next steps toward future appraisal activity.
"The Shenandoah appraisal well has confirmed the field to be a major discovery with excellent-quality reservoir and fluid properties, and significant resource potential," said Brian Reinsborough, Chief Executive Officer and President of Venari Resources. "This well has the potential of becoming one of the largest oil discoveries ever made in the deepwater Gulf of Mexico and demonstrates Venari's capability to explore for significant resources in the emerging areas of the deepwater Gulf."
Read more here: http://www.heraldonline.com/2013/03/...#storylink=cpy
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1000 feet of oil pay in high porosity sand with no water is going to be a monster well
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03-20-2013, 08:12 AM
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Watch out for "Wyat's Torch"
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03-20-2013, 09:01 AM
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label me as one who is worried about the environmental implications of fracking
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03-20-2013, 11:48 AM
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label me as one who is worried about the environmental implications of fracking
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Do you realize they have been fracking for 50 plus years on vertical wells? Fracking is even used on water supply Wells to stimulate aquifers that have lost production due to migration of fines.
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03-20-2013, 10:16 PM
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new record bakken well released this week. a year ago, a 2000 bopd was a big well
Tuesday, Hess reported a 8683 bopd well and 2500 bopd wells are common
$1.2 Billion in GOM leases sold today
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03-21-2013, 04:01 AM
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label me as one who is worried about the environmental implications of fracking
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Do you realize they have been fracking for 50 plus years on vertical wells? Fracking is even used on water supply Wells to stimulate aquifers that have lost production due to migration of fines.
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Me too 108. There are always consequences, which too often get covered up in the name of money...unsurprisingly. At the same time, I have doubts about how justified some of the claims against fracking are, and am tired of the extremes on either side which either sow fear or pump sunshine, or just smear each other.
In any case, here's a decent article in Scientific American that I read a few years ago. The author, Chris Mooney is pretty fair minded. Also, here's a short piece from marketplace.org. Raises some interesting points.
Since you seem to have some expertise on these issues, g8rgr8t, I would like to know your thoughts.
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03-21-2013, 09:57 AM
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First, I am a civil engineer with no background or expertise other than what I have garnered through research related to investing and a sincere belief that the energy revolution is what will help the US economy recover long term if we take advantage of it rather than try and demonize, over tax it, and over regulate it in an effort to suppress it so that politically favored alternatives become more attractive.
The linked paper is a fairly accurate depiction of the major issues facing the industry wrt the drilling and fracking part of it. What he failed to really address is the challenges in trucking chemicals to the site and getting the oil to market. It is here that real environmental issues can present themselves. Issues that could/should be minimized with the use of pipelines instead of trucks, trains, and barges. The conjecture about the possibility of fracking causing cracks to allow deep gas to rise to the surface is a joke though. The typical "crack" generated by a very good frack doesn't travel more than a 1000 feet or so and would never cause a crack the 5 - 8 thousand feet that would be required to allow methane to migrate upwards. The companies are now downspacing their wells because they realize that the fracks are not large enough to drain the rock when wells are 1000 feet + apart. It should be noted that the geological properties of the source rock vary from formation to formation and sometimes even with the same formation. Existing fault lines or uplift fractures within a formation can also change the geological properties and the drilling strategy. It is here that the new 3d seismic technology and software that is being developed is extremely helpful but even with that, drillers often find things that they were not expecting when they get 7000 feet down and then turn sideways in their targeted formation.
fwiw, the case against Range was resolved and the EPA was proven wrong. They lost in state and federal court when Range showed that the gas was chemically proven to be from the shallow degeneration of biological material. The ranchers had overpumped their wells and lowered the aquifer which allowed existing gas that had been trapped by the water pressure to rise and become entraned in the water that they were pumping. Once they decreased their pumping rates, the gas content decreased as the aquifer and related pressures rose. The gas in the wells depicted in the movie Gasland was gas seeping in from coal seems and had nothing to do with drilling and fracking in the area but that wasn't sensational enough so the producers didn't bother to research or document that. Again, the gas is chemically different from gas from down deep but the EPA or the producer was never interested in finding the problem but more interested in depicting the industry as being the villain and them as the hero. EPA is totally out of control and a quick google search will show how many cases they have repeatedly lost since this administration came into office in state, federal, and even at supreme court.
Casing integrity is a problem in any sort of well. We have issues in Florida with water wells that were not properly cased and allow for blending of aquifers which pollutes fresh water aquifers with higher salinity content aquifers. In the oil and gas industry, poorly cemented liners due to bad workmanship can cause problems but the industry is much better now than they were even 5 years ago. This has nothing to do with fracking but is part of any well drilling operation.
Fracking chemical composition has changed considerably in the last couple of years as the science progresses. Many companies now use entirely organic contents and if you do a search, you can find videos of CEO's and others drinking the fracking fluid as it is not harmful going down. When it comes back up is a different story and the industry is like any other industry when it comes to addressing the backflow. There are some that are very good at it and others that are careless. Ideally, it goes directly into a pipeline and is disposed of through a deep injection well that is several miles deep. These same injection wells also dispose of the saltwater that often comes up with the oil.
The use of large tanks to capture the backflow is a much better option than open pits and is becoming more economical as more of the industry incorporates the practice and tank designs and mobility are improved. There is also a whole cottage indsutry growing around using ozone and other processes to treat the backflow and then recycle it for use in the next well. As pad drilling becomes more the norm (multiple wells drilled from one "pad") it becomes even more economical to utilize tanks to capture, treat, and recycle the backflow.
Another good article here that posted yesterday with a good slideshow
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/ener...ards-1C8975363
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PITTSBURGH -- In an unlikely partnership between longtime adversaries, some of the nation's biggest energy companies and environmental groups have agreed on a voluntary set of standards for gas and oil fracking in the Northeast that appear to go further than existing state and federal pollution regulations.
The program announced Wednesday will work a lot like Underwriters Laboratories, which puts its UL seal of approval on electrical appliances that meet its standards. In this case, drilling and pipeline companies will be encouraged to submit to an independent review of their operations, and if they are found to be taking certain steps to protect the air and water, they will receive the blessing of the brand-new Pittsburgh-based Center for Sustainable Shale Development.
If the project succeeds, it could have far-reaching implications for both the industry and environmental groups. A nationwide boom in hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, has unleashed huge new energy reserves but also led to fears of pollution and climate change
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03-21-2013, 11:11 AM
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How about the old adage,"I'd drill through a polar bear's ass for cheap gas!"
What about the strategic importance. China needs lots of oil and we can reduce our national debt by selling oil to the Chinese. Europe too.
In addition, we could disengage from much of the Middle East if we and our allies are not dependant upon oil from that region.
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03-21-2013, 11:50 AM
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we will never produce enough oil to be able to export it. It is actually illegal to export crude oil from the US and even the export of our plentiful nat gas requires a lot of approvals. We may be able to prodcue enough oil to limit our imports to just Canada and Mexico. That would allow us to elimiante the threat of a ME oil embargo crippling our supply source but unfortunately as long as the rest of the world economy is dependent on ME oil it will be in out strategic national interest (economy) to insure that the world supply is not severely interrupted.
China is securing their oil by bribing african leaders to get oil concessions in those countries and staying friendly with Iran while they circumvent the embargo and buy cheap Iranian oil that Iran cannnot sell anywhere else ing rat volumes.
Canada will build a pipeline to the west coast (Kitimat) and export their oil to China if 0 keeps screwing around with the keystone. Right now, Canada loses billions every year due to the depressed price they get because we are their only customer and the shipping costs via rail reduce the amount they make in production.
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03-21-2013, 12:41 PM
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I like what Germany has done with solar energy
Could never happen here though with the fossil fuel industry's boot on the neck of our government
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