Ole Miss gifted the game from officiating

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

Right, but these are the things that we extract. We don't account for the calls that go our way; those are swiftly dismissed.

This happens after every. single. loss.. At some point we have to be a little more honest with ourselves.

"We"? "Honest" ? Is there a mouse in your pocket ?

I pointed out the reasons we could have won the game despite the lousy officiating. We did not.

Of course we have had calls go our way this year. But not in that game.

[West_End_Gator]

Originally Posted by GatorMcCluskey

no, it wasn't all ball - Wilbekin initially got ball and then his momentum carried him into Henderson's hand and arm on the follow through. That was a clear foul.

Incorrect.

[West_End_Gator]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

The first Scottie 3 pt. foul on Motor Mouth was all ball. All. Ball.

The commentators deftly did not comment on the replay.

The goal tending no call was observable from 378 miles away. No OB glasses needed.

The no-call Motor Mouth technical should be reviewed by the SEC for disciplinary purposes: it was blatant unsportsmanlike conduct and embarrassing to the conference.

The team did not have killer instinct, we were lax coming out in the 2nd, we were afraid to play in the paint - and when we did, were timid - and we did not convert foul throws. We lost because of that, but we can still fix that, even this late in the season, IMO.

The other stuff, we cannot.

Spot on on all counts. Great post.

[The_Graygator]

Originally Posted by your_perfect_enemy

absolutely piss poor officiating

Murphy has a hook shot going down that's goaltended and not called, henderson hits a fluke 3... 5 point swing

Rosario goes to hoop makes a layup and is somehow called for a charge when the ole miss player slides over on the foul.. 2 points stolen

henderson's first 3 point shooting foul, Wilbekin gets all ball. The second 3 point shooting foul Wilbekin doesn't touch him another 6 points gifted

terrible. how doug shows has a job is beyond me

Not sure why anyone should be surprised after the way the refs kept 'Ole Miss in the game withus on our own court 6 weeks ago. I knew calls were going to to go against us at crucial times in this game.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

"We"? "Honest" ? Is there a mouse in your pocket ?

Just seemed less direct than "you."

I pointed out the reasons we could have won the game despite the lousy officiating. We did not.

Of course we have had calls go our way this year. But not in that game.

We didn't have a single call go our way this game. Ok, got it.

[gulfgator]

Originally Posted by TampaGatorFan

Folks, we shot a pathetic 8 of 17 from the stripe today...that's just unacceptable, and is the main reason we lost. Hit our free throws and we win this game, refs or no refs. It's that simple. This is not the first time this season our poor free throw shooting has cost us a game.

No doubt

[benheb]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

Just seemed less direct than "you."



We didn't have a single call go our way this game. Ok, got it.

Instead of sarcasm perhaps you could point out at least one of the calls that went our way, i.e. a call that we benefitted from that was questionable. I didn't see any but that must be due to bias.

[Row6]

no post game in the 2nd half and missed free throws cost UF the game.

[GatorMcCluskey]

Originally Posted by gatorich

Scottie got all ball on the block and made contact after the block. That is not a foul.

anytime you hit a jump shooter on the arm in the act of shooting, its going to be called a foul. The only time it would matter whether the block got all ball at first is if you hit the shooter with your body, and even then it gets called a foul at least half the time. It was a good call - it just sucks for us that A) it was Henderson that got it and B) it came at such a crucial point in the game.

[SwampFox]

Originally Posted by Row6

no post game in the 2nd half and missed free throws cost UF the game.

better put your hardhat on. The bottles are coming your way..

[GatorMcCluskey]

Originally Posted by West_End_Gator

Incorrect.

please explain why you think so.

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

Just seemed less direct than "you."

We didn't have a single call go our way this game. Ok, got it.

None of my posts were whining, I have never bitched about officiating and never started a thread about it, and have never blamed a loss on officiating - including this one - so you must be channeling someone else or didn't the right tag number. Ergo, "you" would have certainly been inappropriate.

Closest thing to getting a call in this game - that I saw - was that in the scrums, no fouls were called.

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by Row6

no post game in the 2nd half and missed free throws cost UF the game.

Agreed. As was said earlier.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

None of my posts were whining, I have never bitched about officiating and never started a thread about it, and have never blamed a loss on officiating - including this one - so you must be channeling someone else or didn't the right tag number. Ergo, "you" would have certainly been inappropriate.

Okay, law. I'm pretty sure you know what I'm saying. I only replied to you.

Closest thing to getting a call in this game - that I saw - was that in the scrums, no fouls were called.

Fans see what fans want to see. That's my point.

[West_End_Gator]

Originally Posted by GatorMcCluskey

please explain why you think so.

He maintained verticality with his arm and didn't swing it down into the shooter. It's simply not true, as you asserted above, that they call a foul any time you touch a shooter after a shot. Hell, they don't call a foul a lot of the time any more when you get body during a shot, as long you maintain verticality. And I don't think Wilbekin touched him at all. If he did, it was Henderson's arm up in the air and Wilbekin's arm up in the air, both falling off the ball post-block. It should never have been called.

Compare the contact on Murph's final shot in the lane that could have tied the score, before he fouled Holloway on the rebound. Holloway actually moved his legs underneath Murph so he couldn't go straight up and down on the shot. Murph thus had shoot the ball falling to the side. Yet no call. They allow so much physicality now on every shot, there is simply no way they can rightly call a foul on a three-point shot where the defender gets all ball, and maintains his verticality with his body and arm, and allows the shooter to land without running underneath him. It was a joke of a call.

Basketball officiating has deteriorated in the college game to the point that I am losing interest, except for my beloved Gators, and becoming more of a fan of the pro game. The pro game used to be a joke but they've cleaned it up a lot. The college game is now the joke. The refs are handing games to certain teams. It's not just the Gators. It happens all the time. And nobody's being held accountable.

[benheb]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

Okay, law. I'm pretty sure you know what I'm saying. I only replied to you.



Fans see what fans want to see. That's my point.

That is true and you dismiss everyone else's opinion about the refs by citing this basic truth.

When I'm watching the game and I feel we're getting jobbed by the refs, I recall this truth and usually can observe calls that illustrate it. Not today - didn't see us get one questionable call but saw several critical, questionable calls go against us. I won't say the gators lost this game because of the refs - you never know how the game would have went - I think it was a factor but other things were factors also.

So - are you aware of any questionable calls that went our way? Billy D seemed pretty upset today - yes, dismiss it as posturing but that seems to be another objective observation that officiating was skewed.

[Swampmaster]

Originally Posted by your_perfect_enemy

absolutely piss poor officiating
me

Some bad calls-- but uf played tight when it got close and choked the game away

[GatorMcCluskey]

Originally Posted by West_End_Gator

He maintained verticality with his arm and didn't swing it down into the shooter. It's simply not true, as you asserted above, that they call a foul any time you touch a shooter after a shot. Hell, they don't call a foul a lot of the time any more when you get body during a shot, as long you maintain verticality. And I don't think Wilbekin touched him at all. If he did, it was Henderson's arm up in the air and Wilbekin's arm up in the air, both falling off the ball post-block. It should never have been called.

you're confusing a couple of things here with what I actually said. Wilbekin's forward motion in the air while blocking the shot carried his outstretched arm into Henderson's wrist/hand follow-through and made pretty noticeable contact, even changing Henderson's body trajectory and knocking him backwards. That is a foul, and it's going to be called nearly every time. It doesn't matter that the initial block was clean, contact was still made with the shooter's arm in the act of the releasing the shot. It was a good call.

you are correct that the refs sometimes do not call body-to-body contact after a clean block, and I already stipulated that in my earlier post. I'm not disagreeing with that assertion, but that's not what happened in the situation we're talking about here.

Compare the contact on Murph's final shot in the lane that could have tied the score, before he fouled Holloway on the rebound. Holloway actually moved his legs underneath Murph so he couldn't go straight up and down on the shot. Murph thus had shoot the ball falling to the side. Yet no call. They allow so much physicality now on every shot, there is simply no way they can rightly call a foul on a three-point shot where the defender gets all ball, and maintains his verticality with his body and arm, and allows the shooter to land without running underneath him. It was a joke of a call.

I did think that Holloway got his lower body into Murphy a good bit on that last shot and there was contact, no doubt. That might get a foul call sometimes in the course of a game normally, but Murphy didn't go up strong through the contact and make it more obvious that Holloway was bodying him, he faded away. A lot of the time refs will tend to swallow their whistle for contact like that in the paint when the offensive player doesn't attempt to assert his position and just gives it up to the defender. Not to mention it was an end of game play and you're not usually going to get a call on something like that unless it's extremely blatant.

I'll agree with you, that was a call that could have been made, but it's not like it was an egregious missed call.

Basketball officiating has deteriorated in the college game to the point that I am losing interest, except for my beloved Gators, and becoming more of a fan of the pro game. The pro game used to be a joke but they've cleaned it up a lot. The college game is now the joke. The refs are handing games to certain teams. It's not just the Gators. It happens all the time. And nobody's being held accountable.

I honestly saw a lot of contact both ways that went without being called - the refs were letting them play a little bit today, and that's what you hope to have happen for a championship game. I didn't think there were many bad calls, and I definitely don't think there was any kind of bias towards one side or another that significantly contributed to us losing the game. We took care of that with our poor shooting, sloppy play and lack of effort and poise.

[West_End_Gator]

Originally Posted by GatorMcCluskey

you're confusing a couple of things here with what I actually said. Wilbekin's forward motion in the air while blocking the shot carried his outstretched arm into Henderson's wrist/hand follow-through and made pretty noticeable contact, even changing Henderson's body trajectory and knocking him backwards. That is a foul, and it's going to be called nearly every time. It doesn't matter that the initial block was clean, contact was still made with the shooter's arm in the act of the releasing the shot. It was a good call.

I did not see it that way but I'm willing to be corrected if I was wrong. I certainly don't think he knocked Henderson backwards. That was just some acting on his part, and basically what you're saying is that Murph was at fault for not acting more when he got fouled whereas Henderson deserves a call because he made it look there was meaningful contact.

Originally Posted by GatorMcCluskey

I honestly saw a lot of contact both ways that went without being called - the refs were letting them play a little bit today, and that's what you hope to have happen for a championship game. I didn't think there were many bad calls, and I definitely don't think there was any kind of bias towards one side or another that significantly contributed to us losing the game. We took care of that with our poor shooting, sloppy play and lack of effort and poise.

It is true that there was and all year has been a lot of contact both way, but it generally evens out. What doesn't even out are these egregiously bad calls that don't even fit the loose pattern of officiating within the game. We did not get the call when Henderson (a) pushed Scottie off balance and then (b) reached around him from behind to rake his arm slap the ball away. That should be and ordinarily is called every single time. That was two points for Ole Miss. We did not get an obvious goaltending call. That's four points for Ole Miss, plus the three from the fast break that resulted from the goaltend. That's seven points. Wilbekin did not even touch Henderson on the second three-point shot that was called a foul. There is simply no disputing that fact. That's ten points. So even setting aside the other three-pointer about which we disagree, that's still ten points swung to Ole Miss that did not get evened out.

[GatorMcCluskey]

Originally Posted by West_End_Gator

I did not see it that way but I'm willing to be corrected if I was wrong. I certainly don't think he knocked Henderson backwards. That was just some acting on his part, and basically what you're saying is that Murph was at fault for not acting more when he got fouled whereas Henderson deserves a call because he made it look there was meaningful contact.



It is true that there was and all year has been a lot of contact both way, but it generally evens out. What doesn't even out are these egregiously bad calls that don't even fit the loose pattern of officiating within the game. We did not get the call when Henderson (a) pushed Scottie off balance and then (b) reached around him from behind to rake his arm slap the ball away. That should be and ordinarily is called every single time. That was two points for Ole Miss. We did not get an obvious goaltending call. That's four points for Ole Miss, plus the three from the fast break that resulted from the goaltend. That's seven points. Wilbekin did not even touch Henderson on the second three-point shot that was called a foul. There is simply no disputing that fact. That's ten points. So even setting aside the other three-pointer about which we disagree, that's still ten points swung to Ole Miss that did not get evened out.

I don't want to keep going on about it, so I'll just say this and stop. I don't think it was acting by Henderson - he was going forward in the air and then went backward after contact. On Murphy, what I said is that he should have gone up stronger into the contact rather than fading away to avoid it - one is easier for a ref to call in that situation and one is not.

for every one of those calls you see as a point swing to Ole Miss, I'm sure their fans could point to ones they see the same way as their team having to overcome (two that immediately come to mind are the Henderson layup that Yeguete tied him up in the air and got the jump ball, and the full court inbounds late where Scottie and Prather tripped him and stole the ball). Blaming the refs for the way the game turned out doesn't make any sense to me.