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gatorev12 · 03-17-2013, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SwampFox

Yet we lost because of officiating....??

We lost by 3 points and I haven't exactly seen you rushing to defend any of the suspect calls here.

Do you agree with the two fouls on Wilbekin--when replays showed a clean contact on the block and no contact at all on the second one?

Do you agree with the no-call on the goaltending on Murphy's shot?

If you're answering "no" to any of those, then you have no argument. The officials botched several calls that directly led to them getting points.

If "yes"...then you either weren't watching the game or you're wanting to buddy up and play teacher's pet to the officials. Good luck with that

**RealGatorFan** · 03-17-2013, 04:02 PM

The only officiating calls I thought the refs did an absolute horrible job and should have the whole crew suspended is when Henderson did the chomp resulting in no penalty. That should have been an intentional foul which could have swung the game. The only thing is we can't hit FTs but at least it would have hit Henderson with a foul which might have stopped his showboating.

That crap will stiop once Ole Miss leaves the South. The refs will hit him with technical so fast he won't even have time to do his corny landshark sign.

xenythx · 03-17-2013, 04:04 PM

There was definitely contact on the second Wilbekin foul but it was ticky tack. One of those where the offensive player sweeps his arms into the extended arm of the defender to draw contact.

**mdgator05** · 03-17-2013, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SwampFox

We shot 37 % from the floor. They shot 47%. We shot 8 of 17 from the free throw line. They shot 8 of 12.

Yet we lost because of officiating....??

If you cherry-pick stats, you can make any argument you want. However, looking at the stats as a whole, this was a close game. On aggregate, stats don't lie. And yes, one of those missed shots for Florida that wasn't actually a missed shot (obvious goaltending on the Murphy shot), which led to one of their makes that should have never happened, and two misses of theirs that weren't counted due to phantom fouls, are major components of why we lost today.

I doubt anybody would tell you I am an excuse maker for this team. I have been pretty critical of their performances week-in and week-out for the last couple of months. And I am critical of it today. But, yes officiating had something to do with this loss, and it could be argued that it had a lot to do with it.

TampaGatorFan · 03-17-2013, 04:07 PM

Please stop blaming the refs. We should have won this game by 20+, but choked big time in the second half. You can't give up a 28-8 run at any time during a game and expect to win.

UFish · 03-17-2013, 04:07 PM

The goaltending was horrible but the charge looked legit to me.

We were horrible at the foul line and resorted back to the strategy we used in Columbia: be afraid of going to the paint and jack up shots even though they aren't falling.

One of the fouls Wilbekin had on Marshall was a joke and the goaltending like I said was bad. But we had multiple opportunities to overcome both and as a veteran team, we should have.

born2beagator · 03-17-2013, 04:08 PM

Didn't ole miss have a very fortunate call go their way at the end of the Mizzou game? Seems the refs took a liking to them this tourney

SwampFox · 03-17-2013, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gatorev12

We lost by 3 points and I haven't exactly seen you rushing to defend any of the suspect calls here.

Do you agree with the two fouls on Wilbekin--when replays showed a clean contact on the block and no contact at all on the second one?

Do you agree with the no-call on the goaltending on Murphy's shot?

If you're answering "no" to any of those, then you have no argument. The officials botched several calls that directly led to them getting points.

If "yes"...then you either weren't watching the game or you're wanting to buddy up and play teacher's pet to the officials. Good luck with that

Relax rev........have a beer or two...

Bad calls happen. IT IS NOT the reason we lost this game. ...but carry on if you must..

SwampFox · 03-17-2013, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mdgator05

If you cherry-pick stats, you can make any argument you want. However, looking at the stats as a whole, this was a close game. On aggregate, stats don't lie. And yes, one of those missed shots for Florida that wasn't actually a missed shot (obvious goaltending on the Murphy shot), which led to one of their makes that should have never happened, and two misses of theirs that weren't counted due to phantom fouls, are major components of why we lost today.

I doubt anybody would tell you I am an excuse maker for this team. I have been pretty critical of their performances week-in and week-out for the last couple of months. And I am critical of it today. But, yes officiating had something to do with this loss, and it could be argued that it had a lot to do with it.

That is not cherry pickin' brutha.. That is our shot stats, including free throws...

**mdgator05** · 03-17-2013, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaGatorFan

Please stop blaming the refs. We should have won this game by 20+, but choked big time in the second half. You can't give up a 28-8 run at any time during a game and expect to win.

No doubt we should have won this game by 20+. Even with the officiating, we should have won this game by 8-9. However, the combination of bad play and bad officiating lost the game. One shouldn't ignore the impact of either simply due to the existence of the other.

gottapanda · 03-17-2013, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SwampFox

Relax rev........have a beer or two...

Bad calls happen. IT IS NOT the reason we lost this game. ...but carry on if you must..

It is and you've shown nothing to contradict what he wrote. Did you watch the game? They were given 11 and won by 3. Despite your insistence that our shooting stats tell the story, we are good enough that we can beat them without having our best shooting game. Yes, it's possible that we win this game despite the bad calls, but those few missed calls were literally the difference in score and then some.

Deal with it.

rtgator · 03-17-2013, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tegator80

We get it, the SEC has some crappy refs. But this game was about pride and perseverance and we got timid instead of aggressive. Refs give aggressive the benefit, always do.

If Billy shows that to them then maybe they will get the message. If they get the "we were robbed" crap that is being spewed then there is NO WAY they are going to go anywhere in the tourney.

Just remember we are in the tourney. Old Miss could not be assured of that.

So, how come the foul call goes against Scottie when he aggressively, but cleanly blocked Henderson's shot?

gatorev12 · 03-17-2013, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SwampFox

Relax rev........have a beer or two...

Bad calls happen. IT IS NOT the reason we lost this game. ...but carry on if you must..

Drinking is often an excellent outlet for numbing the pain of any loss...but the trouble with doing too much of it during the game means your senses and brain functions are also numbed.

And I suppose it's one explanation behind your one-man crusade to exonerate the officials from their incompetence today.

Certainly, no sober and clear-eyed individual could make a convincing case for the phantom fouls on Wilbekin or the clear goaltending on Murphy's shot that wasn't given.

And certainly, no sober individual who can carry out basic arithmetic could make an argument that a 11-14 point swing in a 3 point game had "nothing" to do with the outcome.

Keep up the drinking though (it is St. Patty's Day, after all). If you're wanting to seriously talk about the game, come back to us when sober.

grant1 · 03-17-2013, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

You can count on it. We lose, it's the refs.

No questioned the we were not outplayed in the second half, but the refs did help Ole Piss greatly. Even the flukey Henderson 3 came off a foul on the ole miss rebound.

orangeblueorangeblue · 03-17-2013, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by trufloridagator

Dude we can play horrible and the refs can still a huge part of the reason we lost.

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And amazingly every one of our losses was because of the refs.

channingcrowderhungry · 03-17-2013, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RealGatorFan

The only officiating calls I thought the refs did an absolute horrible job and should have the whole crew suspended is when Henderson did the chomp resulting in no penalty. That should have been an intentional foul which could have swung the game. The only thing is we can't hit FTs but at least it would have hit Henderson with a foul which might have stopped his showboating.

That crap will stiop once Ole Miss leaves the South. The refs will hit him with technical so fast he won't even have time to do his corny landshark sign.

Agreed

**mdgator05** · 03-17-2013, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SwampFox

That is not cherry pickin' brutha.. That is our shot stats, including free throws...

How many shots did each team take? A percentage alone is a cherry picked stat. It ignores turnovers, rebounds, etc.

If you look at the stats in their entirety, they reflect a close game. And the shot percentage takes into account the missed calls, which brought down our percentage (missed a shot that should have counted as a make), and improved their percentage (hit a shot that shouldn't have happened and had two misses wiped out in the stats).

Jonas · 03-17-2013, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

And amazingly every one of our losses was because of the refs.

Do you really think that none of our close losses were affected by poor officiating? I agree with you that some fans will blame the refs regardless, but there are still knowledgeable posters who can tell good from bad officiating.

orangeblueorangeblue · 03-17-2013, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonas

Do you really think that none of our close losses were affected by poor officiating? I agree with you that some fans will blame the refs regardless, but there are still knowledgeable posters who can tell good from bad officiating.

Really impossible for me to say since there's one of these threads after literally every loss. I tend to believe that we as fans tend to start justifying things mid-game. I'm sure if Ole Miss lost their fans would have done the same. We aren't the most objective source here.

vaxcardinal · 03-17-2013, 05:00 PM

what i can believe is the officials didnt make a single bad call against ole miss. in fact, there are never any bad calls against our opponents. Not sure why thats the case. However, i'll go on record as being the first to complain about the poor officiating against the gators in their loss during the NCAA tournament (assuming we dont win the championship).