Obama Starts His End Game

[northgagator]

Looks like Obama is getting ready to ensure his legacy and do away with the US Constitution.
His actions side step both houses and tramples on the very concept of Statehood.
Does anyone have any more doubts on why Homeland Security is buying all the ammo?
Once this chit hits the fan their will be a lot of public unrest. Obama is overplaying his hand and is assuming the policy and military will cover his backside.

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/201...te-change.html

President Barack Obama is preparing to tell all federal agencies for the first time that they should consider the impact on global warming before approving major projects, from pipelines to highways.
The result could be significant delays for natural gas- export facilities, ports for coal sales to Asia, and even new forest roads, industry lobbyists warn.
“It’s got us very freaked out,” said Ross Eisenberg, vice president of the National Association of Manufacturers, a Washington-based group that represents 11,000 companies such as Exxon Mobil Corp. (XOM) and Southern Co. (SO) The standards, which constitute guidance for agencies and not new regulations, are set to be issued in the coming weeks, according to lawyers briefed by administration officials.

Link to the article for more on this power grab.

[G8trGr8t]

He is pressing Congress to create a $2 billion clean-energy research fund with fees paid by oil and gas producers.

who here thinks the oil companies are going to just absorb that $2 billion in additional costs?

who thinks they will pass the costs along to the public?

does anybody still wonder why gasoline prices are going up?

sounds like this is going to be his excuse to deny the keystone xl. then all that oil can travel by train and barge until Canada builds the pipeline to Kitimat and starts shipping it all to the far east, which will drive up the cost of our gasoline even higher and decrease the amount of oil we are guaranteed from north american sources.

[Tasselhoff]

Good thing we do not havea President that think ou gas should be five dollars

[g8orbill]

it never ceases to amaze me what this guy is doing and how the left just sits by passively and says nothing

[Wormwood56]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

it never ceases to amaze me what this guy is doing and how the left just sits by passively and says nothing

Not surprising at all. Remember, the Left in America loved Henry Wallace and his communist "Century for the Common Man" rhetoric. Obama's statist ideological leanings are the most extreme since Wallace, even though the media tries to portray Obama as they wrongly portrayed FDR as a pragmatist.

It's really all they have. I have no doubt whatsoever that talk of a third term will arise any time now. Like FDR, Obama doesn't want to leave.

[g8orbill]

if the dems take the House in 2014-I could see that happening

[Row6]

Originally Posted by northgagator

Looks like Obama is getting ready to ensure his legacy and do away with the US Constitution.
His actions side step both houses and tramples on the very concept of Statehood.
Does anyone have any more doubts on why Homeland Security is buying all the ammo?
Once this chit hits the fan their will be a lot of public unrest. Obama is overplaying his hand and is assuming the policy and military will cover his backside.

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/201...te-change.html


Link to the article for more on this power grab.

North, you're to smart for this. I figure someone stole your I-phone.

[DarthG8Rv2]

It works out to over 10,000 rounds per each Homeland Security Agent . That's a lot of Target practice .

[northgagator]

Originally Posted by Row6

North, you're to smart for this. I figure someone stole your I-phone.

Thanks for the compliment and yes I still have my iPhone.

Rowe, I understand the comment and yes it dose sound like I shave gone off the deep end. However in the past two mints several items fro Obama insiders has come to light.

First of all Forbes saw this power grab coming

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybel...-is-reelected/

If you think the Obama administration’s Enterprise Prevention Agenda has been wildly aggressive during the past four years, believe me, we really ain’t seen nothin’ yet. A new report released by the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works Minority Committee enumerates a slew of planned EPA regulations that have been delayed or punted on until after the election that will destroy millions of American jobs and cause energy prices to skyrocket even more.
Titled “A Look Ahead to EPA Regulations for 2013: Numerous Obama EPA Rules Placed on Hold Until After the Election Spell Doom For Jobs and Economic Growth”, it lists and describes new rules concocted over the past year ranging from additional restrictions on greenhouse gas emissions, tougher water guidelines and tightening of the ozone standard. Taken together, they will further drive up pump prices, impose construction bans on local communities, and cripple oil, natural gas and coal production.
A wide criticism (see here, here and here) running throughout the first term was that the White House’s policy-making machinery was overly insular, centralized and politicized. A particular charge is that Mr. Obama has surrounded himself with a national security inner team, drawn largely from the young staffers in his 2008 presidential campaign, which is not above squelching dissenting views or insulating him from unpalatable news. These points were raised at the press conference Mr. Obama held just before his re-inauguration, and even the administration’s supporters acknowledge, as David Rothkopf did earlier this year, that the Obama White House

Now for the insider info
http://foreignpolicyblogs.com/2013/0...-dysfunctions/ thus gut was hand picked:

Nasr confesses that his “time in the Obama administration turned out to be a deeply disillusioning experience,” and judging from the book’s excerpts in the current issue of Foreign Policy magazine he engages in a good deal of bureaucratic score-settling and is filled with ire at the White House staffers who detested Holbrooke. Even so, the points he raises are consonant with the devastating accounts recently offered by other administration insiders – such as Rosa Brooks (here and here) who served in the Pentagon’s policy planning shop – as well as respected journalists like Ahmed Rashid, Rajiv Chandrasekaran, James Mann and Thomas E. Ricks. Michael Gordon and Bernard Trainor in their new book, End Game, similarly provide an unflattering portrait of the administration’s handling of the Iraq war
A wide criticism (see here, here and here) running throughout the first term was that the White House’s policy-making machinery was overly insular, centralized and politicized. A particular charge is that Mr. Obama has surrounded himself with a national security inner team, drawn largely from the young staffers in his 2008 presidential campaign, which is not above squelching dissenting views or insulating him from unpalatable news. These points were raised at the press conference Mr. Obama held just before his re-inauguration, and even the administration’s supporters acknowledge, as David Rothkopf did earlier this year, that the Obama White House

provides an object lesson in how, when too many staffers have excessive influence, political calculations often trump good policy choices. When an inner circle maintains too tight a stranglehold over the president’s time and attention, too few views come into play.
Nasr amplifies these arguments. According to him, a phalanx of gatekeepers – or as he calls them, a “Berlin Wall of staffers” – operates in the White House shielding “Obama from any option or idea they did not want him to consider.”

[Row6]

Originally Posted by northgagator

Thanks for the compliment and yes I still have my iPhone.

Rowe, I understand the comment and yes it dose sound like I shave gone off the deep end. However in the past two mints several items fro Obama insiders has come to light.

First of all Forbes saw this power grab coming

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybel...-is-reelected/


Now for the insider info
http://foreignpolicyblogs.com/2013/0...-dysfunctions/ thus gut was hand picked:

Whatever one thinks of specific policies that the Obama administration is pursuing, it is quite a reach to claim that he is about to overthrow the constitution. Specifically, a report by the senate minority with a politicized title is probably not your best source for objective information. A book by a former member of Obama's foreign policy team is more noteworthy and is perhaps is the unvarnished truth - or not depending on whose faction is being gored - but still demonstrates no issue of an overthrow of constitutional government.

[HudsonGator]

Originally Posted by northgagator

Looks like Obama is getting ready to ensure his legacy and do away with the US Constitution.
His actions side step both houses and tramples on the very concept of Statehood.
Does anyone have any more doubts on why Homeland Security is buying all the ammo?
Once this chit hits the fan their will be a lot of public unrest. Obama is overplaying his hand and is assuming the policy and military will cover his backside.

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/201...te-change.html


Link to the article for more on this power grab.

I don't know, maybe, just maybe, he is trying to stop this:

[MichiGator2002]

All it takes to stop that is some Zyprexa

[HudsonGator]

Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

All it takes to stop that is some Zyprexa

Getting a good result from it, are you?

Good to see that you are finally getting the help you so desperately need.

[G8trGr8t]

so he is trying to stop a topo map from having colors that represent the elevations above sea level...I'm confused...are you still calling it global warming or is it climate change today? i guess some would believe that the messiah could change the weather patterns on the planet that have been cycling for thousands of years and you probably think it is within his reach to do so..if only he had 4 more years and unlimited executive orders and taxing power he could fix everything that ails the entire planet...too bad he wasn't around for the dust bowl, maybe he could have fixed that too

[Row6]

Originally Posted by G8trGr8t

so he is trying to stop a topo map from having colors that represent the elevations above sea level...I'm confused...are you still calling it global warming or is it climate change today? i guess some would believe that the messiah could change the weather patterns on the planet that have been cycling for thousands of years and you probably think it is within his reach to do so..if only he had 4 more years and unlimited executive orders and taxing power he could fix everything that ails the entire planet...too bad he wasn't around for the dust bowl, maybe he could have fixed that too

Is this the thread for seemingly smart righties to go apes..t crazy?

What is this? You're too smart to believe that aren't you? You may have all the doubts you wish to about the conclusiveness of the research on which the overwhelming scientific consensus on AGW rests (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scienti...climate_change) but surely you aren't seriously of the opinion that humans - and especially since the beginning of the industrial revolution - have no significant impact on the world's climate, right?

[HudsonGator]

Originally Posted by G8trGr8t

so he is trying to stop a topo map from having colors that represent the elevations above sea level...I'm confused...are you still calling it global warming or is it climate change today? i guess some would believe that the messiah could change the weather patterns on the planet that have been cycling for thousands of years and you probably think it is within his reach to do so..if only he had 4 more years and unlimited executive orders and taxing power he could fix everything that ails the entire planet...too bad he wasn't around for the dust bowl, maybe he could have fixed that too

He certainly can't change weather patterns, but as the head of state for the largest economy on the planet, he can hopefully help slow the pace of climate change.

If your family happens to live or own property in any of the red or yellow areas on the map, I'd be concerned.

[RealGatorFan]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

if the dems take the House in 2014-I could see that happening

^^^This. Obama has yet to really govern since he took office. Most of his time was either relaxing somewhere or campaigning. He is full campaign mode now as he prepares for the 2014 races in which his goal is take back the House of Rep and give him the ability to rule. Notice the word "rule", not govern. Two very different words. If he gets the House, the last 2 years will see mass changes in the way this country is dictated.

[G8trGr8t]

you global warmers remind me of birthers. you got your belief and your shaman preaches it to you and you eat it up.

I live within 0.5 miles of the coast in SW Florida and not worried about it at all. I am much more worried about real problems like $20 TRILLION in debt and another $100 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities between SS, medicare, the total size of gubmnt wrt the gdp, and ridiculous gubmnt pensions. Those are real issues, not boogeyman issues meant to induce an imagined crisis for 0 to use to dictate more rules and regulations that are pointless and counterproductive.

wrt all the models, it is all garbage in, garbage out. As a professional engineer, I have done lots of modeling from stormwater to nutrient loading to floodplain to traffic modeling and all models require input. Each input data usually has a range of acceptable inputs and the more data points with ranges the easier it is to manipulate the model. I can take a 2000 acre floodplain and move the results up or down by over a foot and still be within the range of acceptable engineering judgement with the input variables. If youu take a model of the entire climate of the earth, I can only imagine that there are millions of variables that can be manipulated. The gubmnt grant money is/was being given to the people who could/would produce the results that the leftie libs in gubmnt wanted to hear to support their agenda. garbage in, garbage out....

they can't tell you the location and strength of a hurricane 5 days out with all the instruments they could possibly want in front of, inside of, and behind the storm but you want to believe that they can tell you the climate twenty years from now. go check their predictions from 15 years ago and get back to me with the accuracy of their projections and let's talk then.

and if you want to talk about the consensus, tell that to Columbus. I'm sure he was happy to find out the earth wasn't flat. I think there was consensus on that too. and maybe Galileo would not have been sent to the psych world if only he had agreed with the consensus that the earth was the center of the universe. i think i remember a consensus among the leaders of a large country at one time that jews were subhuman and a whole large part of the planet onced believed that negroes would not ever be able to take care of themselves. this latest consensus has about as much validity as those did.

and sorry but I don't think I fit in with your view of a rightie as i support abortion, gay marriage, legalized pot, smaller military, taxes on church income and several other issues that would not fit into your rightie box

[HudsonGator]

So when science tells you something unpleasant, the answer is to just deny it.

And you wonder why some Republicans are saying the Republican Party needs to stop being the stupid party.

[LittleBlueLW]

Question for you Hudson and Row.

Lets say we had taken the 2 trillion we spent in Iraq and invested it in combating climate change instead.

What would be different now from a climate perspective? 10 years from now? 100?

Dont forget to include the impacts on climate of things out of the influence of money. Things like solar flares, volcanic eruptions, meteorite strikes, etc.