GOP may be getting a clue.

[ufbeta]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

Do you believe that slavery is wrong because it was ruled illegal, or because you believe it is absolutely wrong ?

How does letting gay people get married violate anyone's civil rights?

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by fredsanford

A lot of people might be swayed to the GOP's financial policy if they would quit acting like its still the 1950s regarding everything else.

I doubt it. Americans simply don't want cuts.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by ufbeta

How does letting gay people get married violate anyone's civil rights?

Slavery used to be a civil right.

[ufbeta]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

Slavery used to be a civil right.

The sky is blue

[fredsanford]

Based on Portman's thinking, it's a shame more GOP kids don't grow up poor.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by ufbeta

The sky is blue

Not unless government declares it's red. Then you'll believe the sky is red. That's what I'm getting from you, anyway.

[AzCatFan]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

Sounds like what happens during abortion. I take it you're outraged about that too ?

Abortion is a case of competing rights between the fetus and the only individual that can sustain the fetus--the pregnant woman. Now if the woman wants to carry to term, no issues. But if she doesn't, whose rights wins? As awful as it is, I think the woman's rights takes precedence because she and only she can keep the fetus alive.

Murder is obviously different. And gay marriage is nowhere close.

[oragator1]

They aren't going to win liberals over, they are just going to no longer alienate moderates, nor will they help drive massive turnouts of dems like this past election because of the dumb things they utter seemingly every election cycle about women, rape, gays, science etc.
I have been saying for a while now, ditch the social stuff, focus on what matters to the every day lives of Americans and they will be fine. They don't even have to be "pro gay", just don't be anti gay or anti anything else that alienates the majority. Say that stuff is personal and it isn't anyone's business, or that the states should handle it, or even as a small first step that while you have deeply held beliefs you recognize others on the other side do too and you respect their pov and why it's so important to them.
Basically get away from it, it's not a winning argument anymore and it's only going to get worse, the country is on a steady path to more civil rights and freedoms, they can't win it and they only look bad trying in the long term. Just like women's rights, minority rights etc, it's going to happen regardless.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by AzCatFan

Abortion is a case of competing rights between the fetus and the only individual that can sustain the fetus--the pregnant woman. Now if the woman wants to carry to term, no issues. But if she doesn't, whose rights wins? As awful as it is, I think the woman's rights takes precedence because she and only she can keep the fetus alive.

Murder is obviously different. And gay marriage is nowhere close.

Can't believe how inconsistent some of you folks are. Theft most certainly affects others. Yet, if government does it, you're okay with it. Hell, some of you call for more of it!

[AzCatFan]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

Can't believe how inconsistent some of you folks are. Theft most certainly affects others. Yet, if government does it, you're okay with it. Hell, some of you call for more of it!

Taxes aren't theft. Even the Bible agrees. You know, render unto Caesar.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

hard for to believe a true conservative would be for homosexual marriage-imnsho he just killed his chances to run as a conservative

I'm a true conservative and I think gay people have just as much of a right of being miserable as the rest of us

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

marriage is between a man and a woman PERIOD

Says the Bible and remember separation of church and state

[Minister_of_Information]

I think the country is changing its mind on gay marriage, albeit slowly. I changed my mind. People are realizing it is an issue of discrimination, and that shifts the moral onus to those opposed.

[MichiGator2002]

Originally Posted by Minister_of_Information

I think the country is changing its mind on gay marriage, albeit slowly. I changed my mind. People are realizing it is an issue of discrimination.

I don't see how two men being told they can't marry each other is anymore discriminatory than telling one man he can't have an abortion is. If a thing is ontologically, physiologically, or in some other way impossible, denying it isn't discriminatory.

[HALLGATOR]

I don't know that that many more people think it's OK, although that could be the case, as much as more people have come to the conclusion it's none of their concern whether two consenting adults choose to live together or marry.

[Minister_of_Information]

Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

I don't see how two men being told they can't marry each other is anymore discriminatory than telling one man he can't have an abortion is. If a thing is ontologically, physiologically, or in some other way impossible, denyingit isn't discriminatory.

The difference is that there is nothing inherently impossible about gay marriage. And the rationales against it are chauvinistic, religious in nature, or puerile. What is so particularly important about hetero marriage that gay people shouldn't suffer I mean enjoy the same social protections within their unions that heterosexuals do? Are gay people so hateful that marriage as a state institution must be abolished rather than permit them access to the same assurances that heterosexuals claim as a matter of right?

[SECund2nun]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

marriage is between a man and a woman PERIOD

In your opinion.

[jdrgator]

Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

I don't see how two men being told they can't marry each other is anymore discriminatory than telling one man he can't have an abortion is. If a thing is ontologically, physiologically, or in some other way impossible, denying it isn't discriminatory.

huh?

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by AzCatFan

Taxes aren't theft. Even the Bible agrees. You know, render unto Caesar.

Now you're a Bible expert all of a sudden ? For that matter, Jesus didn't encourage Jews to resist imprisonment, torture, execution, etc.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

Now you're a Bible expert all of a sudden ? For that matter, Jesus didn't encourage Jews to resist imprisonment, torture, execution, etc.

Imagine that a theologian, perhaps an online program from the University of Phoenix