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Dreamliner · 03-15-2013, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

What "knowledge" does it take? "I feel like deciding marriage isn't much different than going steady, so really anyone can do it" isn't really much in the way of knowledge.
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It's easy to say someone is deviant/abnormal/immoral (pick a word) when you don't know them. When your son, who you know to be a good moral person comes out and says he's gay, I'm sure it can have an effect on your thoughts. You realize that it wasn't up bringing (you were there and unless you were parading around in drag, probably lived a pretty normal lifestyle) , it wasn't "choice" (you got to see firsthand how hard he struggled with it and if it was a choice, it wouldn't have been made so maybe, just maybe it was a part of life that is more normal than you once thought. New knowledge that changed your opinion.

That so hard to believe?

What if your child murders someone ? Do you then waive your reservations about murder because you've come to understand that you know a murderer ?

No, it is by no means a ridiculous analogy.

rivergator · 03-15-2013, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

What "knowledge" does it take? "I feel like deciding marriage isn't much different than going steady, so really anyone can do it" isn't really much in the way of knowledge.

Closely knowing someone who is gay is knowledge.

Dreamliner · 03-15-2013, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rivergator

Closely knowing someone who is gay is knowledge.

Closely knowing a murderer is knowledge.

**ufbeta** · 03-15-2013, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreamliner

Closely knowing a murderer is knowledge.

Even though jersey likes to make every thread about abortion, this one isn't about that. I think rational people can separate the two.

**ufbeta** · 03-15-2013, 06:16 PM

Then again, there doesnt seem to be any rational thoughts in politics these days.

T3goalie · 03-15-2013, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rivergator

it's amazing how actual knowledge of a situation can change your opinion

A case of, "where you sit determines where you stand". Shifting sand ideology...

Dreamliner · 03-15-2013, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ufbeta

Even though jersey likes to make every thread about abortion, this one isn't about that. I think rational people can separate the two.

Why separate them ? Point is that most people consider some actions and behaviors out-of-bounds. Many people would prefer to use the term 'sin.' So, here we have a man who probably considered homosexual behavior a sin ... until he found out his kid was a homosexual.

rivergator · 03-15-2013, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreamliner

Why separate them ? Point is that most people consider some actions and behaviors out-of-bounds. Many people would prefer to use the term 'sin.' So, here we have a man who probably considered homosexual behavior a sin ... until he found out his kid was a homosexual.

because they're nothing alike?

MichiGator2002 · 03-15-2013, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rivergator

Closely knowing someone who is gay is knowledge.

I know several. Hasn't changed anything. I congratulate them on being happily committed to each other.

MichiGator2002 · 03-15-2013, 06:38 PM

Double posted

Dreamliner · 03-15-2013, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by rivergator

because they're nothing alike?

According to whom ?

**ATLitigator** · 03-15-2013, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by neisgator

Im not a fan of the gays and their lifestyle...but, being a libertarian, I say, who cares?

This is the kind of crap issue that gets the left elected.

AMEN!

dont care if you are gay or not

Dreamliner · 03-15-2013, 06:43 PM

Now, if the GOP will only stop talking about reducing government they'll be electable.

**ufbeta** · 03-15-2013, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreamliner

According to whom ?

The justice system. Ones a crime, the other isn't. You really asking that?

Dreamliner · 03-15-2013, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ufbeta

The justice system. Ones a crime, the other isn't. You really asking that?

At one time, according to the justice system, slavery wasn't a crime. Now it's darn near the consummate evil.

Are we really having this conversation ?

**ufbeta** · 03-15-2013, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreamliner

At one time, according to the justice system, slavery wasn't a crime. Now it's darn near the consummate evil.

Are we really having this conversation ?

So your saying slavery and murder is the same as homosexuality?

Dreamliner · 03-15-2013, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ufbeta

So your saying slavery and murder is the same as homosexuality?

Do you believe that slavery is wrong because it was ruled illegal, or because you believe it is absolutely wrong ?

AzCatFan · 03-15-2013, 07:03 PM

Murder ends all rights of another by killing them. Homosexuality doesn't effect anybody else's right to do anything. Major difference, Dream.

Dreamliner · 03-15-2013, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AzCatFan

Murder ends all rights of another by killing them. Homosexuality doesn't effect anybody else's right to do anything. Major difference, Dream.

Sounds like what happens during abortion. I take it you're outraged about that too ?

fredsanford · 03-15-2013, 07:12 PM

A lot of people might be swayed to the GOP's financial policy if they would quit acting like its still the 1950s regarding everything else.