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Old 03-16-2013, 01:17 PM   #41
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Sad dam was not going to a harmless old fool if the USA stayed out of Iraq. Prior to the US invasion he was ruining a good con game with the Oil for Food scam.

Sad dam was content to wait out the UN sanctions and for the US to be diplomatically forced to remove the no fly zone.

Would Saddam rearm and become a regional threat again? Who knows.

One thing for sure is that Saddam was not going to live forever. An early death due to stroke or intrigue of some sort was a good possibility. On his death one of his sons would claim leadership. It also safe to assume that this claim would be heavily contested.

It is also safe to bet that a lot of blood would be spilt, that Iraq would go into chaos, and that the trouble would spill beyond its borders.

Anyone who thinks that Iraq would be a panacea without the invasion is a fool.

By the anyone that thinks Iraq would rush into the arms of Iran is a bigger fool. The Kurds, Arabs, and Sunni do not like the Farsi's.
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Necissity? The only thing necessary was jobs and what jobs has 6 trillion created?
Go back every recession and see what Government does to offset a decrease in private spending...with this being a massive one

The problem this time is that the US racked up $10 trillion in debt prior during relative economic prosperity
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They cut taxes and did not bail out large contribuztors
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Let's see, 6 trillion deficit las 4 years, 2 trillion for the war last 10 years. Raise hell.
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sad dam was not going to a harmless old fool if the usa stayed out of iraq. Prior to the us invasion he was ruining a good con game with the oil for food scam.

Sad dam was content to wait out the un sanctions and for the us to be diplomatically forced to remove the no fly zone.

Would saddam rearm and become a regional threat again? Who knows.

One thing for sure is that saddam was not going to live forever. An early death due to stroke or intrigue of some sort was a good possibility. On his death one of his sons would claim leadership. It also safe to assume that this claim would be heavily contested.

It is also safe to bet that a lot of blood would be spilt, that iraq would go into chaos, and that the trouble would spill beyond its borders.

Anyone who thinks that iraq would be a panacea without the invasion is a fool.

By the anyone that thinks iraq would rush into the arms of iran is a bigger fool. The kurds, arabs, and sunni do not like the farsi's.
bottomline: We all got fooled again by a bunch of warmongers!!!
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with expenses that could grow to more than $6 trillion over the next four decades counting interest, a study released on Thursday said.

why did we go in there again

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Very good post. Next time our country is so anxious to go to war we all need to remember they are very costly and never turn out as promised. We need to stop and think of this instead of following like close minded lemmings.
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bottomline: We all got fooled again by a bunch of warmongers!!!
I hope you got more that that from my post.

That area of the world has been a cluster f#%k since the when the Egyptians and Mesopotamians drew swords against each other.
Saddam had some stability with in his own backyard but it was not going to last. He was not going to live forever and his sons were not capable of being on tenth the dictator he was.
Sooner or later Sunni, Shia, Kurd, and Persian were and are going to stir things up

To be honest with you I am highly surprised that all hell has not broke loose since we pulled out the combat forces. In my opinion if Iraq can stay together for the next few years they as a nation has a chance to survive. Of course a lot depends on what type of deal Turkey cuts with it own native Kurds. All best are off if Turkey clamps down on their Kurds or gives them some sort of autonomy.
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That pretty much rules out everyone war since WW2, which is fine with me.
Hardly. It INCLUDES both World War one and ESPECIALLY World War Two. At least Iraq will celebrate a decade of real democracy, unlike the "democracy" Stalin guaranteed for Eastern Europe, which FDR completely believed to his dying day.

Millions of people in Eastern Europe were liquidated by the Communists. That didn't happen in post-Saddam Iraq.

The lies and utter ineptitude by Woodrow Wilson and especially FDR absolutely DWARF the lies of all subsequent presidents combined. Compared to the extraordinary deception, sheer callousness, and blind myopia of World War Two, the follies of Operation Iraqi Freedom is nothing more than a fistfight. But of course, the history taught in America tells a far more sanitized story...
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Hardly. It INCLUDES both World War one and ESPECIALLY World War Two. At least Iraq will celebrate a decade of real democracy, unlike the "democracy" Stalin guaranteed for Eastern Europe, which FDR completely believed to his dying day.

Millions of people in Eastern Europe were liquidated by the Communists. That didn't happen in post-Saddam Iraq.

The lies and utter ineptitude by Woodrow Wilson and especially FDR absolutely DWARF the lies of all subsequent presidents combined. Compared to the extraordinary deception, sheer callousness, and blind myopia of World War Two, the follies of Operation Iraqi Freedom is nothing more than a fistfight. But of course, the history taught in America tells a far more sanitized story...

you know we were attacked to start WWII, right?
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Hardly. It INCLUDES both World War one and ESPECIALLY World War Two.
I don't think you read or understood the post you responded to.
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with expenses that could grow to more than $6 trillion over the next four decades counting interest, a study released on Thursday said.

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Dozens of intelligence agencies saying he had WMD?

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Amazing, and it was still 1/3 as much as Obama has spent in almost 1/3 the time, but libs are b*tching about Bush's spending?
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Amazing, and it was still 1/3 as much as Obama has spent in almost 1/3 the time, but libs are b*tching about Bush's spending?
Obama's spending was largely on Americans, not on Daddy revenge issues or for Halliburton's stockholders.
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Dozens of intelligence agencies saying he had WMD?

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Whoa, scary stuff. You didn't mention that US intelligence also said he didn't have a delivery system for the more threatening type of wmd's and was unlikely to use whatever he had - maybe that new mustard gas stuff? - unless attacked.
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these wars for the most part are created to connect high powered defense contractors with billions / trillions in taxpayer dollars---phony "evidence" from the CIA about weapons of "mass destruction" led to this madness. Amazing.
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you know we were attacked to start WWII, right?
Indeed we were. Do you know WHY? And do you know WHY Germany declared war on the United States?

Look up "Harold Ickes" and "quarantines." Then try "Rainbow Five."
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Indeed we were. Do you know WHY? And do you know WHY Germany declared war on the United States?

Look up "Harold Ickes" and "quarantines." Then try "Rainbow Five."
It was actually a part of Hitler's initial, long-term strategy to take on the U.S., the Japanese alliance provided a strategic opportunity, although potentially coaxed a bit earlier than Hitler had intended. Not sure what Rainbow #5 has to do with anything, as it continued the alliance from WWI.
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Dozens of intelligence agencies saying he had WMD?

Glad I could help.
This isn't really a sufficient answer, although I guess we've been well trained to think "they have WMDs" = "good enough, war time!"

http://usiraq.procon.org/view.resour...ourceID=000678
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