The 47% Video

[MichiGator2002]

The comedy of the 47% video is that, to be horrified by it, you would have to believe that Obama in contrast was deeply concerned about how to get conservatives and libertarians to vote for him. I believe the term is trollolololol.

[G8trGr8t]

Originally Posted by HudsonGator

It happened to Obama in 2008

and each state has different laws wrt recording of another person in a private setting. odd how the 0 comment didn't get nearly the press that the 47% comment did or impact the election nearly as much as the lmsm would have us believe

and jdr...my primary concern wasn't that, it was just a question wrt what the law is in the state of florida but it seems that once again I have offended your partisan sensitivity. props to him for doing the right thing when given a chance; just another example of how in the great majority of cases, the truly heroic things done to save people are not done by police or fire or?? but by common citizens that are first on the scene.

[gatordowneast]

Look, the bartender is a part time bartender working for a catering service likely as a 1099. Does he have any other jobs? If not who wants to bet this guy doesn't have the democratic party playbook on how to build a "lifestyle" from guvmint programs? You think he's on foodstamps? You think he is on extended unemployment? What else?

This cat clearly wanted to do his part to protect his freebies. May be a humanitarian but his first interest was bringing down the guy who would have brought fiscal sanity to our government and returned our aid programs to what they should be...a temp hand up for the disadvantaged.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

Wouldnt you reasonably expect some "privacy" in any behind-closed doors private setting, whether its walking around naked, having sex, meeting with donors or having a one on one conversation?

I'm not sure, that's why i said it warrants more discussion. I think if the cameras had been out in plain site, that wouldn't have been considered a problem, but who knows.

[wgbgator]

There's plenty of people who make a more than decent living tending bar or waiting tables.

[HudsonGator]

Bottom line, if Romney had been more disciplined, he would never have said something for which he later had to explain and/or apologize.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Good buddy of mine was a lawyer, is now a bartender / caterer and makes more than he did previously.

Granted, he was vehemently against doing personal injury / divorce law / etc.

[wgbgator]

I think the video's impact on the election is overstated. It certainly reinforced a preconception about Romney, but its hard to say that it was a defining event.

[jimgata]

The difference is public or private meetings. Public can be videoed without consent, private cannot , legally.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by jimgata

The difference is public or private meetings. Public can be videoed without consent, private cannot , legally.

I don't know that it's that simple.

[wgbgator]

Definitely not that simple. Because first of all, there are private spaces that are open to the public. Rules are going to be different there than say, a public park. Moreover, rules are going to be different in a private area that isnt open to the public or a place of business.

[G8trGr8t]

so what is the law in the state of florida? if a business associate invites me to his house for a dinner with others, can he set up a camera and legally record our conversations without our knowledge?

and with today's cell phones and miniature cameras, the arguement that the camera is in plain sight does not hold water with me

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by G8trGr8t

so what is the law in the state of florida? if a business associate invites me to his house for a dinner with others, can he set up a camera and legally record our conversations without our knowledge?

See, it's complicated, because you do need that reasonable expectation for privacy. I think a private dinner is a little less ambiguous than a fundraiser. I mean, there's a screen, a microphone, etc. It's a tougher sell.

Another thing that qualifies as consent in Florida is implied, if someone happens to see the camera (or another camera) and doesn't ask them to turn it off, that could be implied consent.

[HudsonGator]

This isn't really my area, but I do know that under Federal law, so long as one of the people recording a conversation is a part of the conversation, it is not a crime to record.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by HudsonGator

This isn't really my area, but I do know that under Federal law, so long as one of the people recording a conversation is a part of the conversation, it is not a crime to record.

That doesn't seem right, and it's definitely not the case under Florida state law.

[MichiGator2002]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

I think the video's impact on the election is overstated. It certainly reinforced a preconception about Romney, but its hard to say that it was a defining event.

It enforced a misconception and fabrication of Romney, which is why it was so fawned over. The substance was pretty boring, frankly -- my job isn't to convince anyone that is voting of Obama no matter what to vote for me. That is inarguably true. You aren't qualified for politics or even to discuss politics if you can't concede that. What little controversy there is is in who he deemed likely to vote for Obama no matter what.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

The substance was pretty boring, frankly -- my job isn't to convince anyone that is voting of Obama no matter what to vote for me.

I think had he stopped there that might be true. But there was a lot more that was said directly after that which made it damning.

[G8trGr8t]

I know that in FDOT progress meetings for federal highway jobs the meetings cannot be recorded without unanimous consent and I as the pm have to start the recording with a declaration that the meeting is being recorded even if the recording device is in plain view in the center of the table. We are often meeting in FDOT offices and presentations are sometimes made.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by G8trGr8t

I know that in FDOT progress meetings for federal highway jobs the meetings cannot be recorded without unanimous consent and I as the pm have to start the recording with a declaration that the meeting is being recorded even if the recording device is in plain view in the center of the table. We are often meeting in FDOT offices and presentations are sometimes made.

I believe recording laws only apply to those meetings that qualify under sunshine laws. That would mean boards, commissions, etc.

[MastaG8r]

If Romney was wrong about the 47 percenters regarding themselves as victims, then what was 0bama talking about when he said to his supporters, "Vote! Voting is the best revenge!"

Revenge for what, exactly?