Judge strikes down NYC's sugary drinks ban

[108]

Originally Posted by adamgator96

It's not an easy answer, but I like Jamie Oliver's approach to educating our kids and parents about the sad state of school lunches.

Since we have kids captive from 7a - 3p every day, we should offer them healthy choices and educate them about proper nutrition. These kids will soon be consumers, so they should be armed with the information many parents lack.

We didn't get fat overnight. It took a generation for Burger King to introduce the quad burger, and it may take that long for us to educate our kids about moderation and good nutrition.

i like that, but do you think its enough

abstinence education sure hasn't worked

[Dreamliner]

Jamie Oliver is a Bloomberg in the making.

[gator1986]

Lol southern problem? I have seen some pretty fat northerners. The biggest guy at my gym ( not muscular but overweight ) is from the northeast ( Boston ) and his family is not far behind.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by 108

insurance = socialized risk

unless you directly pay for all your medical expenses, its "our" costs

you get this right?


you get that taxes go toward medicare/medicaid, with an even larger % falling into the obese category?

There have always been fat people, even before healthcare costs exploded. If your blaming fat people for healthcare costs you're not realistic, that's not the cause. You just feel compelled to legislate peoples behavior.

[Dreamliner]

It was a gratuitous shot at Southerners. For perspective, based on the silly metric of 'BMI', whopping (sarcasm) 5% more Texans are obese compared to Minnesotans.

[Itssaul]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

There have always been fat people, even before healthcare costs exploded. If your blaming fat people for healthcare costs you're not realistic, that's not the cause. You just feel compelled to legislate peoples behavior.

Being fat makes everything extra risky, so everything must be treated, along with all the other fat expenses such as bypasses

[Itssaul]

Originally Posted by gator1986

Lol southern problem? I have seen some pretty fat northerners. The biggest guy at my gym ( not muscular but overweight ) is from the northeast ( Boston ) and his family is not far behind.

I mean with a degree of freedoms of 0, no one is going to care who the fattest guy you know is.

[108]

Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

Private insurance isn't socialized risk. The entire point of the actuarial process is to protect the various insured's opportunity to benefit under their policies. It is amazing the twisting and turning you have taught yourself to find the government's business in everything. Again, except for who we bang and how, every other life choice is something the government has a say in, isn't it?

i haven't once said its the governments role, in fact I said I wasn't for legislating it unless the private sector had no answer for it

as for insurance, i just don't think you grasp the concept of a collective pool spreading the risk...we all pay into it to cover risk to all those paying into it...when your pool is increasingly becoming obese, do you not think that effects your premiums?

it is estimated by 2030, if things stay the same, 50% of Americans will be obese

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by Itssaul

Being fat makes everything extra risky, so everything must be treated, along with all the other fat expenses such as bypasses

He's blaming high premiums on fat people and thats ridiculous. Are you looking to legislate behavior as well?

[MichiGator2002]

Originally Posted by rivergator

You know how insurance works, right?

Yes. It is an intellectual nullity to define the relationship between a private insurance company and its private, consentually insured as "socialization" of cost or risk. It is a pretext to rationalize healthcare as the government's problem, because you want healthcare to be the government's problem.

Maybe the government should run all restaurants; after all, the risk that someone won't be able to order nuggets if they run out is "socialized". Who knew that that lady that called 911 was the brain trust of liberal government healthcare management rationale?

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by 108

i haven't once said its the governments role, in fact I said I wasn't for legislating it unless the private sector had no answer for it
as for insurance, i just don't think you grasp the concept of a collective pool spreading the risk...we all pay into it to cover risk to all those paying into it...when your pool is increasingly becoming obese, do you not think that effects your premiums?

it is estimated by 2030, if things stay the same, 50% of Americans will be obese

That is not the private sector's job.

[108]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

There have always been fat people, even before healthcare costs exploded. If your blaming fat people for healthcare costs you're not realistic, that's not the cause. You just feel compelled to legislate peoples behavior.

did i blame fat people for all healthcare costs?

no, its a growing problem that does effect health care costs

[108]

Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

Yes. It is an intellectual nullity to define the relationship between a private insurance company and its private, consentually insured as "socialization" of cost or risk. It is a pretext to rationalize healthcare as the government's problem, because you want healthcare to be the government's problem.

Maybe the government should run all restaurants; after all, the risk that someone won't be able to order nuggets if they run out is "socialized". Who knew that that lady that called 911 was the brain trust of liberal government healthcare management rationale?

use a different word if you'd like, the outcome is the same

[Spurffelbow833]

Yet Bloomberg will win the next election. Hard to feel sorry for New Yorkers.

[108]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

That is not the private sector's job.

it could be, if it actually had its long term interests at heart

when the growing costs of health care cannot be afforded, who do the people look to solve it?

this is an inherent flaw in capitalism, and why it needs to be regulated so it doesn't consume itself

while individual profits before the whole generally don't affect the whole, there are areas where it does.......healthcare costs being one of them

[Itssaul]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

He's blaming high premiums on fat people and thats ridiculous

Yeah but when you go and pay taxes, would you like it to go to someone who is 200 lbs overweight and is going to die anyway of weight related issues? You pay for some of that care.

Anyways as a nation we should not be fat. Educating kids, parents, and offering, affordable and healthy meals is probably best.

All I can say that would be a productive method is taking all these football, and nba superstars and make some eat healthy ads.



Idk it's a huge problem in this nation, and something should be done about it. Pretty soon we will have less effective military, and unhealthy lives all around

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by 108

i haven't once said its the governments role, in fact I said I wasn't for legislating it unless the private sector had no answer for it

as for insurance, i just don't think you grasp the concept of a collective pool spreading the risk...we all pay into it to cover risk to all those paying into it...when your pool is increasingly becoming obese, do you not think that effects your premiums?

it is estimated by 2030, if things stay the same, 50% of Americans will be obese

And as a result, living even longer than they do now, which is scaring 80 to death.

Other than that the sky is falling and we probably need to be taxed for that too.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by Itssaul

Yeah but when you go and pay taxes, would you like it to go to someone who is 200 lbs overweight and is going to die anyway of weight related issues? You pay for some of that care.

Anyways as a nation we should not be fat. Educating kids, parents, and offering, affordable and healthy meals is probably best.

All I can say that would be a productive method is taking all these football, and nba superstars and make some eat healthy ads.



Idk it's a huge problem in this nation, and something should be done about it. Pretty soon we will have less effective military, and unhealthy lives all around

It's hardly our biggest problem, regardless I find it scary that some people want to legislate eating behaviors. Should we jail people over a certain weight, fine them, or just having a hunting season for fat people?

[JohnC1908]

Maybe we should put all the fat people in the same risk pool.

[Itssaul]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

It's hardly our biggest problem, regardless I find it scary that some people want to legislate eating behaviors. Should we jail people over a certain weight, fine them, or just having a hunting season for fat people?

Agree, and agree.


And maybe?




Jk.