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gulfgator · 03-09-2013, 02:22 PM

It was a ugly team loss at the end..No one got it done at the end, not Young or Boynton.

Rosario is slumping badly and he and Scotty, completely forgot the ball had any value in crunch time.

born2beagator · 03-09-2013, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by UF67ee

Close games, away from home are problems for this team. Wish I could say differently. Guard play has been lacking ..... too careless with the ball. Patrick did not muscle up....too timid. No go to guy ........ one on one, we have no one. We need lots of luck.

Glad there are no true road games in the tourney.

gatorfansrule · 03-09-2013, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorRade

I believe he said two different things:

1) a road game against a decent team
and
2) a close game (no site specified)

At least that is how it is written.

I know that we are all frustrated. Trust me, I am right there. I finally bought into our team after years of keeping my hope reserved. My faith is shaken after the last few weeks, but I really don't think that losing close games and winning blowouts is a reason to concern anyone.

You are correct on my intent and the way I wrote it. I also disagree with you on the close games losses not being a concern, but I hope you are right.

Brodeur · 03-09-2013, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorRade

To be honest, I don't care about this concern so much. What I am concerned about, however, is that we didn't blow those guys out in the first 30 minutes of the game. UK did not play particularly well, in my opinion. We were superior at most positions. Why weren't we up by 15-20 by crunch time? That is very disconcerting.

After 1 minute to go, you are going to be bashing a team because an in-and-out shot went out. If it stayed in we might be talking about how clutch they've become, but the two scenarios are virtually identical.

I agree with this.

The end-game problem comes down to having a team where nobody can create an easy shot for themselves or somebody else. That guy probably should be PY most games, but he just isn't aggressive enough. I know he's not a great FT shooter but when you're scoreless for several minutes I'll take my chances getting 1 of 2 from him at the FT line.

BD prefers to let KB do his own thing since he's a senior. I get that, but that hasn't worked yet and it may be too late to change.

BLING · 03-09-2013, 02:25 PM

I'm pissed we allowed Cauley-Stein or whatever the hell his name was stay in the game for 11+ minutes with 4 fouls.

How the hell is that even possible? We made our run when he was on the bench for 2 minutes after getting his 4th foul, so when he came back in you'd think immediately priority A1A is to go right at him and foul him out?

Can't blame the ref for that, our players didn't go at him, and instead played timid. Basically allowed him to play half-assed for 5 minutes and get away with it. Then in the last 4 minutes he made some absolutely key plays (couple big rebounds, drew the charge, etc). If we had gotten that guy fouled out it probably kills UK momentum and UF wins the game. Instead we play soft, don't score for like 8 minutes, and give away another close road win.

This team was fun to watch this year at times, but I'm super pissed about how we have been closing out these road games. A couple of them (Arizona, Mizzou, and now UK) have just been flat stupid... Seems like we not only blew a #1 seed, but now it's possibly we have played out of a #2 seed (unless UF wins the SEC tournament, which I believe is possible and can put us back at a #2 seed)

GatorRade · 03-09-2013, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gator07

Yeah and IF my aunt had a package she would be my uncle.

If the shot goes in then it is clutch.
If the shot does not go in it is not clutch.

You get nothing for how "close" it was to going in.

But my point is that this is basically a quantum result, where both human actions are identical. Therefore, I am suggesting that this is a poor method for determining clutch play.

gatorfansrule · 03-09-2013, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BLING

I'm pissed we allowed Cauley-Stein or whatever the hell his name was stay in the game for 11+ minutes with 4 fouls.

How the hell is that even possible? We made our run when he was on the bench for 2 minutes after getting his 4th foul, so when he came back in you'd think immediately priority A1A is to go right at him and foul him out?

Can't blame the ref for that, our players didn't go at him, and instead played timid. Basically allowed him to play half-assed for 5 minutes and get away with it. Then in the last 4 minutes he made some absolutely key plays (couple big rebounds, drew the charge, etc). If we had gotten that guy fouled out it probably kills UK momentum and UF wins the game. Instead we play soft, don't score for like 8 minutes, and give away another close road win.

This team was fun to watch this year at times, but I'm super pissed about how we have been closing out these road games. A couple of them (Arizona, Mizzou, and now UK) have just been flat stupid... Seems like we not only blew a #1 seed, but now it's possibly we have played out of a #2 seed (unless UF wins the SEC tournament, which I believe is possible and can put us back at a #2 seed)

Donovan's teams have never taken advantage of mismatches or gone after players in foul trouble. My guess is he likes to run his offense and not force the action. I don't agree with that strategy, but it is what it is.

phideltdj · 03-09-2013, 02:33 PM

I actually thought Prather was our best option their in the end as he delivered the best move and look to the basket and was obviously fouled on the second attempt...I would have let Casey work on his man for that last possession.

number1 · 03-09-2013, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BLING

I'm pissed we allowed Cauley-Stein or whatever the hell his name was stay in the game for 11+ minutes with 4 fouls.

How the hell is that even possible? We made our run when he was on the bench for 2 minutes after getting his 4th foul, so when he came back in you'd think immediately priority A1A is to go right at him and foul him out?

Can't blame the ref for that, our players didn't go at him, and instead played timid. Basically allowed him to play half-assed for 5 minutes and get away with it. Then in the last 4 minutes he made some absolutely key plays (couple big rebounds, drew the charge, etc). If we had gotten that guy fouled out it probably kills UK momentum and UF wins the game. Instead we play soft, don't score for like 8 minutes, and give away another close road win.

This team was fun to watch this year at times, but I'm super pissed about how we have been closing out these road games. A couple of them (Arizona, Mizzou, and now UK) have just been flat stupid... Seems like we not only blew a #1 seed, but now it's possibly we have played out of a #2 seed (unless UF wins the SEC tournament, which I believe is possible and can put us back at a #2 seed)

Well that is on Young who continued to fade away from Cauley-Stein instead of going into him and exposing the refs.

**ovillegator** · 03-09-2013, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BLING

I'm pissed we allowed Cauley-Stein or whatever the hell his name was stay in the game for 11+ minutes with 4 fouls.

How the hell is that even possible? We made our run when he was on the bench for 2 minutes after getting his 4th foul, so when he came back in you'd think immediately priority A1A is to go right at him and foul him out?

Can't blame the ref for that, our players didn't go at him, and instead played timid. Basically allowed him to play half-assed for 5 minutes and get away with it. Then in the last 4 minutes he made some absolutely key plays (couple big rebounds, drew the charge, etc). If we had gotten that guy fouled out it probably kills UK momentum and UF wins the game. Instead we play soft, don't score for like 8 minutes, and give away another close road win.

This team was fun to watch this year at times, but I'm super pissed about how we have been closing out these road games. A couple of them (Arizona, Mizzou, and now UK) have just been flat stupid... Seems like we not only blew a #1 seed, but now it's possibly we have played out of a #2 seed (unless UF wins the SEC tournament, which I believe is possible and can put us back at a #2 seed)

Agreed. Bet even Billy wishes now they had gone after him aggressively to get him out of the game. Would have coasted to a win.

GatorRade · 03-09-2013, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gatorfansrule

You are correct on my intent and the way I wrote it. I also disagree with you on the close games losses not being a concern, but I hope you are right.

I'm not sure if I am right. We could lose quite early in the NCAA tournament, but I'm not convinced that we aren't in for a special year yet.

gator07 · 03-09-2013, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorRade

But my point is that this is basically a quantum result, where both human actions are identical. Therefore, I am suggesting that this is a poor method for determining clutch play.

LoL, the ball going in is not a determining factor of clutch play???

The "human action" would have to be different for the ball to go in. It might be a very slight difference, but basketball is a precise game. A game of inches, you could say.

gatorinmi · 03-09-2013, 02:53 PM

I think it's a mental thing with these guys. The way they got bounced out of the tourney the last 2 years I think they start thinking, here we go again.

**DuPontGator** · 03-09-2013, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 108

It's our guards

They freeze up when it counts

Coaching too

GatorRade · 03-09-2013, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gator07

LoL, the ball going in is not a determining factor of clutch play???

The "human action" would have to be different for the ball to go in. It might be a very slight difference, but basketball is a precise game. A game of inches, you could say.

Lol? You are laughing at what I am saying?

Let me ask you a couple of serious questions. Who is the best three point shooter we've had in recent memory? Humphrey? Murphy? Stolt? Frazier? And what are the odds of this shooter hitting an open three during game? 100? 0? Or somewhere in between.

The answer is obviously somewhere in between. In other words, the outcome is uncertain, even with the best shooter we can imagine. Does all of that just go away for you toward the end of game? Do these shot suddenly become 100% (clutch) or 0% (not clutch)? Because to me, that seems inconsistent with natural laws.

gator07 · 03-09-2013, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorRade

Lol? You are laughing at what I am saying?

Let me ask you a couple of serious questions. Who is the best three point shooter we've had in recent memory? Humphrey? Murphy? Stolt? Frazier? And what are the odds of this shooter hitting an open three during game? 100? 0? Or somewhere in between.

The answer is obviously somewhere in between. In other words, the outcome is uncertain, even with the best shooter we can imagine. Does all of that just go away for you toward the end of game? Do these shot suddenly become 100% (clutch) or 0% (not clutch)? Because to me, that seems inconsistent with natural laws.

Yes I'm laughing because you said if he made the shot we would be praising this team for clutch play. Right....but he didn't, did he?

**ThePlayer** · 03-09-2013, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DuPontGator

Coaching too

We may have improved our play this year, but we were a much tougher team with Larry Shyatt.

GatorRade · 03-09-2013, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gator07

Yes I'm laughing because you said if he made the shot we would be praising this team for clutch play. Right....but he didn't, did he?

No he didn't, 07, but that wasn't my point, was it? Do you think that people who fail to pick red or black correctly with their last roulette spin aren't "clutch"? Because I don't think that you should be laughing at people who don't think this way. If you still don't understand what I am saying, I recommend this analysis of the problem:

Memphis Choked...or did they?

**dawny** · 03-09-2013, 06:32 PM

Frazier cannot shoot from the bench, why does Billy bench him we need a few points and why do we practice dribbling when we have a close game.

gatordavisl · 03-09-2013, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorRade

No he didn't, 07, but that wasn't my point, was it? Do you think that people who fail to pick red or black correctly with their last roulette spin aren't "clutch"? Because I don't think that you should be laughing at people who don't think this way.

I'm not laughing at anyone, but analogizing roulette to executing clutch shots in basketball does not work. Does this need to be explained?