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**GothamGator** · 03-07-2013, 09:47 AM

Here are the resumes of several teams competing for a simliar seed in the NCAA Tournament. Rank them in order from the one that should be seeded highest to the one that should be seeded lowest. No cheating.

Team A (Duke) - 26-4, RPI 1, SOS 1, 8-2 (top 50), 13-4 (top 100), 4 road wins vs. top 50, no bad losses
Team B (N Mex) - 26-4, RPI 2, SOS 4, 8-3 (top 50), 17-4 (top 100), 3 road wins vs. top 50, no bad losses
Team C (Miami) - 23-6, RPI 3, SOS 3, 6-2 (top 50), 13-3 (top 100), 2 road wins vs. top 50, 3 bad losses
Team D (Kansas) - 26-4, RPI 5, SOS 18, 9-3 (top 50), 12-3 (top 100), 4 road wins vs. top 50, 1 bad loss
Team E (Florida) - 24-5, RPI 6, SOS 28, 4-3 (top 50), 15-5 (top 100), 1 road win vs. top 50, no bad losses
Team F (Gonz) - 28-2, RPI 7, SOS 78, 5-2 (top 50), 11-2 (top 100), 4 road wins vs. top 50, no bad losses
Team G (Indiana) - 25-5, RPI 10, SOS 13, 7-5 (top 50), 10-5 (top 100), 3 road wins vs. top 50, no bad losses
Team H (G'town) - 23-5, RPI 12, SOS 28, 7-3 (top 50), 11-4 (top 100), 4 road wins vs. top 50, 1 bad loss

For Comparison...

Louisville - 25-5, RPI 4, SOS 6, 7-4 (top 50), 11-2 (top 100), 4 road wins vs. top 50, no bad losses
Michigan - 24-5, RPI 8, SOS 40, 8-4 (top 50), 10-4 (top 100), 2 road wins vs. top 50, 1 bad loss
Mich St. - 21-7, RPI 8, SOS 5, 7-7 (top 50), 8-7 (top 100), 2 road wins vs. top 50, no bad losses

**GothamGator** · 03-07-2013, 09:57 AM

I would rank them

A
B
D
G
H
F
E
C

gator7_5 · 03-07-2013, 10:03 AM

I think your ranking are pretty spot on. Its obvious who team C is. The 3 bad losses are a dead giveaway. They won't make it past the second rd, imo.

gulfgator · 03-07-2013, 10:04 AM

team #5 is clearly a one seed

1
2
6
7
5
4
8
3

GatorRade · 03-07-2013, 10:12 AM

I'm thinking something like this.

A
B
D
G
E
F
H
C

WESGATORS · 03-07-2013, 10:13 AM

The committee has said time and time again that bad losses aren't nearly significant of a factor as big wins are. I think Miami's "bad losses" are being overstated. I'd also like to see the above numbers in terms of vs. top 25 and vs. top 10. If you're 3-1 vs. top 10 and 1-5 vs. the rest of the top 50 that is more favorable than if you're 6-4 vs. top 50 where you haven't played anybody higher than #25.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

phideltdj · 03-07-2013, 10:14 AM

Can you add home losses to the column as I believe a home loss should have more weight as counting against the team than a road loss.

ETGator1 · 03-07-2013, 10:24 AM

F
d
b
a
g
e
h
c

REM08 · 03-07-2013, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phideltdj

Can you add home losses to the column as I believe a home loss should have more weight as counting against the team than a road loss.

I'd also want to see record vs top 10 or top 25. My guess is some times have been feeding off of teams mostly ranked 20 - 50, while others (like MSU) have been playing a lot of top 10 or top 15.

I realize this is a lot of work, not saying anyone should do this. Just speaking in theory.

Also, keep in mind that the selection comittee claims to not care NEARLY as much about bad losses as good wins.

My honest opinion, of all the numbers listed above I care about record vs top 50. There's one team that sticks out RPI wise, but they've done well against top 50 teams. We all know who they are, but I can't see not having them in the top 4.

I'm going:

A
B
D
F
C
H
E
G

WESGATORS · 03-07-2013, 10:37 AM

These teams are in the driver's seat for a #1 seed (in order):

TEAM G (7-2 vs. top 25 including 3-1 away from home)
TEAM D (5-2 vs. top 25 including 2-2 away from home)
TEAM A (6-2 vs. top 25 including 2-2 away from home)
TEAM C (5-2 vs. top 25 including 2-2 away from home)

I think each of these teams will earn a #1 seed if they win out, and they each may not need to win out to earn the #1 seed.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

bakaduin · 03-07-2013, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WESGATORS

These teams are in the driver's seat for a #1 seed (in order):

TEAM G (7-2 vs. top 25 including 3-1 away from home)
TEAM D (5-2 vs. top 25 including 2-2 away from home)
TEAM A (6-2 vs. top 25 including 2-2 away from home)
TEAM C (5-2 vs. top 25 including 2-2 away from home)

I think each of these teams will earn a #1 seed if they win out, and they each may not need to win out to earn the #1 seed.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

There is no way C wins a #1 seed. They will be lucky to get a 3 at this rate. The other three I agree on I would say A, G, D, B as the number 1 seeds.

InagaddavidaGator · 03-07-2013, 10:56 AM

Ok, I am doing this without looking at the other responses or re-familiarizing myself with the Gators’ resume.

1 – A
2 – B
3 – C
4 – D
5 – F
6 – G
7 – E
8 - H

WESGATORS · 03-07-2013, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bakaduin

They will be lucky to get a 3 at this rate.

Of course the devil is in the details. My point is merely that Miami controls its own destiny (I think only 4 teams can say that). Whether or not they are likely to fail, a likely ACC Championship path would include another win over Duke. If they win the ACC Championship, I have a hard time seeing them getting passed by for a #1 seed.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

ArtVandelay · 03-07-2013, 11:12 AM

I think the Top 50 is watered down because there aren't as many strong teams. I guess it is all relative, but teams like Illinois, Notre Dame, Cincinnati are just okay and they are in the Top 50.

InagaddavidaGator · 03-07-2013, 11:17 AM

Can someone please explain why New Mexico SOS is ranked 4???

WESGATORS · 03-07-2013, 11:22 AM

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...teams/rpi/NMEX

One of the weaknesses of the strength of schedule measure is that it doesn't do a good job of discounting the weaker opponents as you do down the list. So playing a #10 team and a #100 team will be seen as weaker than playing a #45 and #50 team. If you load up on the lower level of the top 100 and have very few teams below 150, then you will have a strong strength of schedule.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

bakaduin · 03-07-2013, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WESGATORS

Of course the devil is in the details. My point is merely that Miami controls its own destiny (I think only 4 teams can say that). Whether or not they are likely to fail, a likely ACC Championship path would include another win over Duke. If they win the ACC Championship, I have a hard time seeing them getting passed by for a #1 seed.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

Fair points

akaGatorhoops · 03-07-2013, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REM08

I'd also want to see record vs top 10 or top 25. My guess is some times have been feeding off of teams mostly ranked 20 - 50, while others (like MSU) have been playing a lot of top 10 or top 15.

I realize this is a lot of work, not saying anyone should do this. Just speaking in theory.

Also, keep in mind that the selection comittee claims to not care NEARLY as much about bad losses as good wins.

My honest opinion, of all the numbers listed above I care about record vs top 50. There's one team that sticks out RPI wise, but they've done well against top 50 teams. We all know who they are, but I can't see not having them in the top 4.

I'm going:

A
B
D
F
C
H
E
G

After I ranked mine, (and yes, I know where I put florida)---- I scrolled thru the posts.
You and I rank em very closely.

Mine:
A
B
D
F
H
C
G
E

This, of course, is based only on the resume provided. As some have mentioned... "Top 50" is a big pool, and perhaps wins over top 25 teams would create more distinction.
I recognized the teams, but based soley on the criteria. . . that is, unfortunately, how I have em right now.

lifetimeg8r · 03-07-2013, 12:55 PM

Team A - 26-4, RPI 1, SOS 1, 8-2 (top 50), 13-4 (top 100), 4 road wins vs. top 50, no bad losses
Team B - 26-4, RPI 2, SOS 4, 8-3 (top 50), 17-4 (top 100), 3 road wins vs. top 50, no bad losses
Team C - 23-6, RPI 3, SOS 3, 6-2 (top 50), 13-3 (top 100), 2 road wins vs. top 50, 3 bad losses
Team D - 26-4, RPI 5, SOS 18, 9-3 (top 50), 12-3 (top 100), 4 road wins vs. top 50, 1 bad loss
Team E - 24-5, RPI 6, SOS 28, 4-3 (top 50), 15-5 (top 100), 1 road win vs. top 50, no bad losses
Team F - 28-2, RPI 7, SOS 78, 5-2 (top 50), 11-2 (top 100), 4 road wins vs. top 50, no bad losses
Team G - 25-5, RPI 10, SOS 13, 7-5 (top 50), 10-5 (top 100), 3 road wins vs. top 50, no bad losses
Team H - 23-5, RPI 12, SOS 28, 7-3 (top 50), 11-4 (top 100), 4 road wins vs. top 50, 1 bad loss

A
B
D
H
F
E
C
G

REM08 · 03-07-2013, 01:34 PM

Okay. Eight people have responded with complete lists. If these eight people made up the selection committee, this is what the seeds would look like.

TEAM AVE RANKING RANGE

1) A --- 1.4 --- 1-4
2) B --- 2.1 --- 2-3
3) D --- 3.5 --- 2-7
4) G --- 4 --- 4-8
5) F --- 5 --- 1-6
6) H --- 5.6 --- 3-8
7) E --- 6.4 --- 5-8
7) C --- 6.4 --- 3-8

With the averages and the range, you can see where there were a few votes that were extreme one way or another. I didn't toss the highest and the lowest out for each team though.