Homeland adds 2,700 armored vehicles to ammo purchases

[DaveFla]

Originally Posted by HudsonGator

Perhaps Skynet has gone online and it was in fact the one who purchased all this ammo.

Better start digging those bunkers, once Skynet becomes self-aware it's over...

Have you ever read the Aesops Fable "The Ant and the Grasshopper"?

You remind me a lot of the grasshopper in that story.

I'm just saying...

[The_Graygator]

Originally Posted by egator1245

In the midst of Obama claiming there is no money for schools, teachers, children, firefighters, police, clean air and water, he still can find money for armored vehicles for Homeland Security. Just seems strange and/or cynical.

Yep, the money to his union pals will still go through, and for all those Obama-phones, and to his Isreal-hating terrorist pals in Egpyt, and to China to combat "global warming" , and to Brazil to drill oil for us to buy from them, and to Scandinavia to build electric cars we'll buy from them, and to all the failed green companies owned or run by his big campaign contributors, and for Moochelle's future trips all over the world, and for Obama's next golf tour with Tiger, and etc., etc., etc...

And the good little legions of liberal lemmings will not question any of it... only laugh and guffaw that all is well and believe their government only has their best wishes in mind, that government knows best, that government should lead them by the hand, that government should think for them, that government should make their decisions for them, and that government would never do anything against The People.

If you heard of some nut-case walking up and down the streets of your neighborhood shouting out threats at everyone every day, would you just look the other way and not call the cops, deciding he's nothing to worry about until that day he follows through on those threats?

You people making fun of legitimate concerns by those here of these moves by our government? You're all fools.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by G8trGr8t

"civilian SECURITY force" - when did the peace corps become a security force? Does security mean something different in your world?

The full quote:

[As] president I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots [from 75,000] and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals, like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their effort connected to a common purpose.

People of all ages, stations and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem – they are the answer. So we are going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We’ll call on Americans to join an energy corps, to conduct renewable energy and environmental clean-up projects in their neighborhoods all across the country.

We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, and to be there for our military families. And we’re going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy. We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set.

We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. We need to use technology to connect people to service. We’ll expand USA Freedom Corps to create online networks where American can browse opportunities to volunteer. You’ll be able to search by category, time commitment and skill sets. You’ll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities.

This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda and make their own change from the bottom up.

And, of course, Factcheck makes it clear:

Q: Is Obama planning a Gestapo-like "civilian national security force"?

A: This false claim is a badly distorted version of Obama’s call for doubling the Peace Corps, creating volunteer networks and increasing the size of the Foreign Service.

link

[G8trGr8t]

Civilian national SECURITY force just ad STRONG as the military.

Please provide the liberal definition of security and strong when used in context to compare to an armed force (military).

In my world security usually involves capacity to use force and strong as armed force involves being equally armed

[DSRrg]

I would imagine most who believe the claim that the hollow points are for range use have spent all of 5 mins on any range. You DO NOT shoot premium ammo (ie hollow point) on the range. That is not what people who know their way around guns do. You shoot ball ammo in bulk. You do house runs, you use frang ammo.

People who aren't skeptical about these purchases are sheep pure and simple.

[secgator]

Originally Posted by DSRrg

I would imagine most who believe the claim that the hollow points are for range use have spent all of 5 mins on any range. You DO NOT shoot premium ammo (ie hollow point) on the range. That is not what people who know their way around guns do. You shoot ball ammo in bulk. You do house runs, you use frang ammo.

People who aren't skeptical about these purchases are sheep pure and simple.

Of course they do---they are the same ones who equate The Peace Corps with the Military as both being a 'security force'.

Those who aren't skeptical because they take an Obama (or factcheck) explanation at face value fall more under the term....gullible.

[GolphinGator]

Originally Posted by rivergator

And, yes, that's exactly what the government has done. it's ordered all your bullets confiscated. Seriously, do any of you guys actually believe this stuff?

I can tell you that you will not find any in the stores to buy. Not that you would want any. Not even a box of 22LR on any shelf in Gainesville or Ocala. So for what ever reason thats pretty much what has happened. Gander Mountain empty. No ammo for weeks now. People say people are buying it up thats why there is none. Hard to buy up things that are not there.

[wygator]

River, thank for the helpful bolding. Now I'll bold it for you...

Originally Posted by rivergator

The full quote:

And, of course, Factcheck makes it clear:
link

I don't need fact check to explain what I can read for myself.

[secgator]

Originally Posted by wygator

River, thank for the helpful bolding. Now I'll bold it for you...



I don't need fact check to explain what I can read for myself.

wy...the only ones who DO need factcheck to help them out are those on the left. They prefer to remain 'within the family'. Seeing that factcheck.org is run by the Annenberg Foundation--which definitely leans left.

It is 'their' bible...regardless of the fact it slants left. In the case above, the statement Obama made should--at the very least--cause any prudent person to question exactly what he meant, most certainly NOT accept factcheck's explanation at face value.

[DSRrg]

Originally Posted by secgator

wy...the only ones who DO need factcheck to help them out are those on the left. They prefer to remain 'within the family'. Seeing that factcheck.org is run by the Annenberg Foundation--which definitely leans left.

It is 'their' bible...regardless of the fact it slants left. In the case above, the statement Obama made should--at the very least--cause any prudent person to question exactly what he meant, most certainly NOT accept factcheck's explanation at face value.

I've always wondered why no one has asked Obama to explain what he meant by a civilian force that rivals our military.

[wygator]

If he's asked, he'll probably quote Factcheck. That was a pretty creative answer!!

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by wygator

River, thank for the helpful bolding. Now I'll bold it for you...



I don't need fact check to explain what I can read for myself.

Oh, I see. So you figure if you take two sentences out of an entire speech. you can pretend he wasn't talking about the Peace Corps, Americorps and those types of organizations?
Because context is the enemy?

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by secgator

wy...the only ones who DO need factcheck to help them out are those on the left. They prefer to remain 'within the family'. Seeing that factcheck.org is run by the Annenberg Foundation--which definitely leans left.

It is 'their' bible...regardless of the fact it slants left. In the case above, the statement Obama made should--at the very least--cause any prudent person to question exactly what he meant, most certainly NOT accept factcheck's explanation at face value.

Do you know who Annenberg was?

[secgator]

Originally Posted by rivergator

Do you know who Annenberg was?

Yes...do YOU? And to be fair--I was not referring to the 'man' but to...as I clearly stated--the 'foundation'. Do YOU know exactly what IT truly is and what it represents?

It...the foundation...is without question, left leaning. You will surely go on quoting them time and time again as you and others have done so for years, but those support links you toss out like they are the gospel truth, are empty of merit. You may as well be quoting the Keith Olbermann Chronicles. Factcheck is worthless support on your behalf.

[HALLGATOR]

Originally Posted by secgator

It...the foundation...is without question, left leaning. You will surely go on quoting them time and time again as you and others have done so for years, but those support links you toss out like they are the gospel truth, are empty of merit. You may as well be quoting the Keith Olbermann Chronicles. Factcheck is worthless support on your behalf.

Without question? Could you provide more?

[wygator]

Originally Posted by rivergator

Oh, I see. So you figure if you take two sentences out of an entire speech. you can pretend he wasn't talking about the Peace Corps, Americorps and those types of organizations?
Because context is the enemy?

Context is important, but doesn't change the meaning in this case. He was talking about a lot of different organizations, among them a civilian security force.

He was kind of in a rhythm of coupling sentences. He would tie a challenge or need and to an organization that could help in that arena.

I'm going to post your quotation one more time, breaking each of distinct thought into a separate paragraph.

[As] president I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots [from 75,000] and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals, like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their effort connected to a common purpose.

People of all ages, stations and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem – they are the answer.

So we are going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people.

We’ll call on Americans to join an energy corps, to conduct renewable energy and environmental clean-up projects in their neighborhoods all across the country.

We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, and to be there for our military families.

And we’re going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy.

We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.

We need to use technology to connect people to service. We’ll expand USA Freedom Corps to create online networks where American can browse opportunities to volunteer. You’ll be able to search by category, time commitment and skill sets. You’ll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities.

This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda and make their own change from the bottom up.

Make sense?

Fact check is blatantly dishonest in their explanation, failing to mention the key words and quotation. Don't be guilty of their dissembling.

[Row6]

Unbelievable. Again.

So, not only is Obama planning on a coup, but he announced it in a public speech. Apparently he will take over the country with 2700 armored vehicles loaded with Job Corps members and Americorp teachers armed with rifles. Brilliant!!

[reformedgator]

Originally Posted by rivergator

Conservatives have claimed over and over that the military hates Obama. But he'd be able to overcome that with armed Social Security and National Fisheries agents?

You make fun of the tongue in cheek comments, but can you give any reasonable explanation for the stockpiling of all that ammo & the expense (our tax dollars) that is incurred?

[DSRrg]

Originally Posted by Row6

Unbelievable. Again.

So, not only is Obama planning on a coup, but he announced it in a public speech. Apparently he will take over the country with 2700 armored vehicles loaded with Job Corps members and Americorp teachers armed with rifles. Brilliant!!

Like the saying goes, truth is stranger than fiction.

But to the point, lets focus in on DHS. They have zero responsibility/jurisdiction OCONUS. Their entire mission objective is within the "walls" of the USA. For the military types on here, their AO is USA. Having said that, lets look at facts and determine if what they are doing makes sense to the layman. DHS has purchased nearly 1B rounds of ammunition in the last year and a half. This without question is an enormous amount of ammo. If their mission set and AO is USA, why the need for so much ammunition? Second, they have purchased thousands of assault rifles. Third, they have purchased nearly 3000 MRAPs. Why does a domestic agency need that many MRAPs? Does everyone understand the mission set for a MRAP? They are Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles. Like the man said in the video, they are not only secured to the border. His particular unit can travel anywhere in America.

Now, on top of all this, we have heard the POTUS declare that he wants a civilian force that rivals the military. How could any sane human take all these facts and not at least question the motives?

[g8trjax]

Originally Posted by DSRrg

Like the saying goes, truth is stranger than fiction.

But to the point, lets focus in on DHS. They have zero responsibility/jurisdiction OCONUS. Their entire mission objective is within the "walls" of the USA. For the military types on here, their AO is USA. Having said that, lets look at facts and determine if what they are doing makes sense to the layman. DHS has purchased nearly 1B rounds of ammunition in the last year and a half. This without question is an enormous amount of ammo. If their mission set and AO is USA, why the need for so much ammunition? Second, they have purchased thousands of assault rifles. Third, they have purchased nearly 3000 MRAPs. Why does a domestic agency need that many MRAPs? Does everyone understand the mission set for a MRAP? They are Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles. Like the man said in the video, they are not only secured to the border. His particular unit can travel anywhere in America.

Now, on top of all this, we have heard the POTUS declare that he wants a civilian force that rivals the military. How could any sane human take all these facts and not at least question the motives?

Some people will be forever locked in to the dem and pub paradigm, no matter that at a minimum, these vehicles are just another example of govt waste, as is using hollow points for 'target practice'. If you actually watched that video and it didn't make you feel even a bit uncomfortable, you are our current govts wet dream, no two ways around it. Also, all these kids with crushing student loan debt and no jobs,would be the perfect 'volunteers' for our new civilian army.