Has any reporter asked the WH or inquired about the order?
Was able to find this at the NRA site, but it is from August, last year:
Quote:
The most widespread of the recent rumors involves a Department of Homeland Security contract for a maximum of 450 million rounds of .40-caliber jacketed hollow-points, to be supplied over the next five years.
After receiving numerous questions from his constituents regarding the contract, pro-Second Amendment U.S. Rep. Lynn Westmoreland (R-Ga.) and his staff set out in search of the truth. In a press release, Rep. Westmoreland's office explains:
If you take the number of agencies that will be using this ammunition – CBP, Citizenship and Immigration Services, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), ICE, the U.S. Secret Service, Transportation Security Administration, the DHS police force, and all the guards that protect the various buildings these agencies are housed in, and spread that out over 5 years, you start to see that 450 million rounds really isn't that large of an order. Especially considering it is used for training purposes like firing range and live fire exercises, on-the-job use (though that is very limited), and to shore up their supplies. In fact, there are 65,000 – 70,000 law enforcement personnel at DHS who would be covered under this … ammunition contract. If DHS were to purchase all 450 million rounds over 5 years, then that would equate to only about 1,384 rounds of ammo per year per law enforcement [officer] … assuming the lower estimate of only 65,000 law enforcement personnel at DHS. Considering those agents go through training exercises several times per year, that is not a lot of ammunition.
Perhaps most strangely, some have cited the purchase of hollow-point ammunition as evidence of the federal government's evil motives. Hollow-points are the defensive ammunition of choice for federal, state and local law enforcement officers across the country, just as they are for private citizens. These attacks are eerily similar to statements made by gun prohibitionists, who spent the much of the '70s, '80s and '90s complaining about "dum dum" bullets. (In fact, the Violence Policy Center's website still exhibits a publication lamenting that federal ammunition law "has no effect on today's generation of high-tech hollow-point ammunition.") The attacks also ignore the fact that federal agents, unlike average taxpayers on more limited budgets, normally train and qualify with their duty ammunition. http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/ar...mmunition.aspx
I just wonder is it SOP for the G'ment to lock up purchases for the next five years ? Do they historically order ammo like that ?
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One of my linked articles is from the Investor's Business Daily, hardly a fly-by-night blog.
The Homeland Security ammo purchases are historic and I'm guessing the armored vehicle purchases are as well.
I hark back to Obama's Civilian security force because it is:
1) An unprecedented suggestion for a
2) force of equal budget and capability as the military
3) Never mentioned by Obama again after the one campaign speech (as far as I know)
I'm not a conspiracy freak by nature, but when you see our executive )non-military) agencies arming up at unprecedented levels, and you have Obama's apparent dream of the civilian force hanging out there, I don't think it is imprudent to seek legitimate explanations for the activities. Instead homeland is illegally redacting info from the purchase applications.
It's probably just Obama paybacks to campaign donors in the ammo and defense contractor industries...right?
CAn you point to any evidence that it is unprecedented?
Seriously, haven't we been through all this before? Obama's the first president in 100 years to miss the Army-Navy game! Obama's the first president in history to bow to another country's monarch! Obama's the first president in history to host a Muslim dinner! Obama's the first president to say he's a citizen of the world!
And on and on.
None of it true, of course.
Of course, if Bush did this in the aftermath of 9/11, the ACLU and other leftist organizations would have had a cow. Then you would have been hearing nonstop about "brown shirts in the streets."
Of course, if Bush did this in the aftermath of 9/11, the ACLU and other leftist organizations would have had a cow. Then you would have been hearing nonstop about "brown shirts in the streets."
if Bush did what? order ammunition for federal agencies?
CAn you point to any evidence that it is unprecedented?
Seriously, haven't we been through all this before? Obama's the first president in 100 years to miss the Army-Navy game! Obama's the first president in history to bow to another country's monarch! Obama's the first president in history to host a Muslim dinner! Obama's the first president to say he's a citizen of the world!
And on and on.
None of it true, of course.
I'm a history buff, as many are on this board.
Are you, or anyone on this board, aware of any previous president saying we need a civilian security force as well-funded and as powerful as our military? I'm not.
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Are you, or anyone on this board, aware of any previous president saying we need a civilian security force as well-funded and as powerful as our military? I'm not.
It's hard to know if this is worthy of eyebrow raising without knowing how much ammo these departments have traditionally had. Anyone have that kind of data?
It's hard to know if this is worthy of eyebrow raising without knowing how much ammo these departments have traditionally had. Anyone have that kind of data?
Are you, or anyone on this board, aware of any previous president saying we need a civilian security force as well-funded and as powerful as our military? I'm not.
2012 U.S. DOD discretionary budget - $553 billion (i.e. not including $118 billion to support overseas contingency operations (OCO), primarily in Afghanistan and Iraq).
Then listen to the video...which happens to be the same video ALREADY posted twice in this thread. Virtually verbatim to what wygator said and you 'don't believe Obama said'. Listen closely this time river...or perhaps we can get a transcript for you if necessary. Only part wygator left out was an additional adjective..."just as strong" as our military.
You still going to deny or dispute your messiah, the Dalibama said it or didn't he??
Then listen to the video...which happens to be the same video ALREADY posted twice in this thread. Virtually verbatim to what wygator said and you 'don't believe Obama said'. Listen closely this time river...or perhaps we can get a transcript for you if necessary. Only part wygator left out was an additional adjective..."just as strong" as our military.
You still going to deny or dispute your messiah, the Dalibama said it or didn't he??
You know he was talking about the Peace Corps, Americorps, groups like that, right?
By the way, I do stand corrected. He said that, he just wasn't talking about an armed force.
So what do you figure? Social Security agents are planning to kill you? The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is setting up a dictatorship?
What do you think the plan is?
This is before Obama came into office but much of this is in case there is civil unrest. I think the government is preparing for the worst. Think Katrina at a national level.
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Or, the government is buying up all the ammo so to drive up cost thereby preventing Amercians from being able to buy them. There are more than one way to disarm Amercians.
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For those insisting that Homeland Security is not preparing against the prospect of major domestic unrest or even uprising, they've purchased 2,700 MRAC armored vehicles.
This stuff has been going on for the last 2 1/2 years, very quietly, and completely uncovered by the LMSM for the most part.
Obama has already been filling the ranks of FEMA with his para-military trained gangsta thugs for the past 18 months, mostly young guys under the age of 25, arming and training many of them with fully automatic rifles. A number of them were spotted after the Hurricane Sandy disaster.
Recently, Homeland Security held a "terror drill" with helicopters and city street shutdowns in Miami, Florida, where the copters actually trained their wepons on the local populace for "practice".
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