02-27-2013, 07:28 PM
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I know Scotty has a great assist to turnover ratio, he has him been averaging about three rebounds per game and he plays amazing defense, but, our starting point guard needs to average more than nine points per game in this offense. He needs to score, especially when our other guys are not hitting their shots, he needs to be more assertive once the ball crosses half court and when they switch on screens he needs to beat the bigger guy guarding him to the rim and get to the line, That is all
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02-27-2013, 08:30 PM
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[quote=NorthCaptivaGator;6439186 but, our starting point guard needs to average more than nine points per game in this offense.[/QUOTE]
Well:
1. Why? Why is averaging 9.0 points per game bad but averaging 10.0 points per game acceptable?
2. If UF had played more close games where it was leading down the stretch do you think Wilbekin might have scored more? Say like other previous PGs UF this year had 10 games were the score was say 8 to 12 points late in the game with UF leading. Then the PG was fouled say 3 times and shoot 6 FT. Thus Wilbekn would have taken 60 more FTs and conservatively lets say made 36 of them. Then he would be averaging 36/27 or 1.3 points more per game. So UF's team would be worse, Wilbekin would be playing exactly the same, but averaging 10.3 points per game and that would somehow be better?
I think UF's foul shooting stats have really been altered by UF so often leading games by so large a margin that opponents had no reason to foul in the last 3 minutes.
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02-27-2013, 08:38 PM
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When was the last time our starting point guard averaged less tnan 10pts/game
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Or shot under 70% from the line?
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02-27-2013, 08:45 PM
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Walker. Calathes and Green were all over 12ppg, we miss the scoring from that position
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02-27-2013, 09:02 PM
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I know everybody is trying to fix what's not really broken, but let it go. We didn't have the depth to beat a desperate Tennessee team, playing for a whole lot more than we were last night. That's a different game if Florida can match WY up on McCrae.
Scotty's inability to take over a game offensively is not what's losing Florida games on the road right now. He's not the problem. It's not fair to act like he is.
Again, Florida will look a whole lot different at this time next week.
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02-27-2013, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by gator07
Or shot under 70% from the line?
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This, less the ppg, is my concern.
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02-27-2013, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by NorthCaptivaGator
Walker. Calathes and Green were all over 12ppg, we miss the scoring from that position
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Our offense has been one of the most efficient in the nation all year long scoring around 120 points per 100 possessions. It's pretty good even without that one point per game from the PG position.
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02-27-2013, 09:39 PM
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You can't put a ppg on anyone on our team because we don't have a go to guy. Aall of our players are complimentary of one another. It's about defense, assits and effciency and W's.
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02-27-2013, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by hgators
You can't put a ppg on anyone on our team because we don't have a go to guy. Aall of our players are complimentary of one another. It's about defense, assits and effciency and W's.
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Walker, Green and Calathes were all over 12/game Wilbekin at 9/game- it makes a difference- the pg in this offense is going to get looks and needs to score
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02-27-2013, 10:52 PM
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I am a bit concerned about Scottie's free throw shooting in critical situations. Beside that though I wish he would take more shots from outside when he gets an open look after the ball has been passed around. Although he has taken more shots this year since he is the starting pg, his percentages are down almost 10% from last season. I wonder if some of this is due to last second shots when the clock is expiring and he can't get set.
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02-27-2013, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by HALLGATOR
I am a bit concerned about Scottie's free throw shooting in critical situations. Beside that though I wish he would take more shots from outside when he gets an open look after the ball has been passed around. Although he has taken more shots this year since he is the starting pg, his percentages are down almost 10% from last season. I wonder if some of this is due to last second shots when the clock is expiring and he can't get set.
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The 3 to 4 points per game could very well be related to the fact that Scotty rarely gets to the line and when he does he's only shooting about 65%
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02-27-2013, 11:31 PM
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Justin Hamilton?
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02-27-2013, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by NorthCaptivaGator
Walker, Green and Calathes were all over 12/game Wilbekin at 9/game- it makes a difference- the pg in this offense is going to get looks and needs to score
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two of those guys couldnt carry Wilbekins jock. Green was clutch the others were detriments
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02-27-2013, 11:33 PM
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I do agree Wilbekin's FT percentage is a concern. Part of the reason I wish he had gotten those extra FTs at the end of closer games. Then he could have developed a rhythm and we could see how he is at the FT line in late game situations.
Offensive rating of UF points since 2005-06 from statsheet.com:
2012-13 Wilbekin 116.1
2011-12 E. Walker 114.6
2010-11 E. Walker 113.1
2009-10 E. Walker 104.5
2008-09 Calathes 114.5
2007-08 Calathes 112.1
2006-07 Green 116.0
2005-06 Green 109.7
This number is how many points the player scores in 100 possessions. You will notice that Wilbekin is doing as well as any PG on the list.
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02-28-2013, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by InstiGATOR1
I do agree Wilbekin's FT percentage is a concern. Part of the reason I wish he had gotten those extra FTs at the end of closer games. Then he could have developed a rhythm and we could see how he is at the FT line in late game situations.
Offensive rating of UF points since 2005-06 from statsheet.com:
2012-13 Wilbekin 116.1
2011-12 E. Walker 114.6
2010-11 E. Walker 113.1
2009-10 E. Walker 104.5
2008-09 Calathes 114.5
2007-08 Calathes 112.1
2006-07 Green 116.0
2005-06 Green 109.7
This number is how many points the player scores in 100 possessions. You will notice that Wilbekin is doing as well as any PG on the list.
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Exactly. Wilbekin is simply taking less shots. Points per possession is the important number, not points per game. What we need to understand is that getting Wilbekin 3-4 more points per game will not give the Gators 3-4 more points per game. In fact, it might even take away points, since these extra Wilbekin shots are shots that otherwise might have gone to a Murphy three or Rosario layup. Points per a single player per game is somewhat zero sum game. (Unless these shots are taken from Boynton three pointers. Then they are free points.  )
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02-28-2013, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by akaGatorhoops
This, less the ppg, is my concern.
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Agreed! You can't be the primary ball handler and shoot less than 70% from the line.
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02-28-2013, 08:50 AM
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scottie is a bright spot in this otherwise stagnant ass offense.. pound the ball down low to murph
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02-28-2013, 10:13 AM
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Actually, if he were to shoot a better free throw percentage he would probably average 10 points or more a game.
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02-28-2013, 11:07 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by akaGatorhoops
This, less the ppg, is my concern.
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I agree. Although I also agree that Scottie has to make some better decisions when he gets into the lane. For some reason the last two weeks he has been looking only to pass out when he gets into the lane. We have had much more success when he does go into double digits.
Overall though, the fact that we are something like 200 in the country in possessions per game but 4th overall in points per possession tells me that our offense is extremely efficient.
no reason to be worried heading into March.
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02-28-2013, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by channingcrowderhungry
Justin Hamilton?
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Yay me, I think I was correct. Just looked it up and he averaged 8ppg his senior year. What do I win?
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/pla...ustin-hamilton
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