I Give, The MSM is a Political Wing of the Left

[jdrgator]

Originally Posted by Minister_of_Information

Was it the bombastic theme music that turned you off?

ahahaha. Nah man, I just don't watch much network or cable news. Pollutes ones thinking after awhile.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by jdrgator

I am not sure know if it says much beyond that in this instance, NBC let an annoying twit take over a show which always seemed to me to be more hype than anything else, even under Russert (though it's true, Russert had his coal-raking moments).

But I do think the constant whining about "the media" by many here seems more of a siege-mentality run amok than thoughtful criticism. Blanket generalizations and categorical statements are no stand in for critical thought.

I think the blanket "it's the media" is absolutely no different than someone like Sharpton saying "it's racism."
Just a constant whine that gives you an excuse to blame everyone else.

[ncbullgator]

Originally Posted by rivergator

I think the blanket "it's the media" is absolutely no different than someone like Sharpton saying "it's racism."
Just a constant whine that gives you an excuse to blame everyone else.

The evidence is overwhelming and you are in denial. Always have been.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by ncbullgator

The evidence is overwhelming and you are in denial. Always have been.

Thanks, Al.

[wargunfan]

Once Tim Russert passed away I stopped watching. Turns out I haven't missed anything.

Tim was a quality guy.

[tegator80]

Originally Posted by Minister_of_Information

I actually think Chuck Todd and the Morning Joe political crew do a comparatively professional job of reporting, though I don't think it's very disputable that most are definitive leftists. It's OK to be a leftist who is also journalist, just please be professional and treat everyone critically, not just those on the right. That's the problem with Gregory. Being critical doesn't mean assuming a mock glowering expression and asking softball questions in a deadpan voice, it means actually trying to find the holes in what that person is arguing, rather than providing the appearance of it. That is what Russert was phenomenal at doing. He could rake a republican over the coals and in the next segment treat a democrat identically.

This is exactly my point. I don't care that a journalist is a liberal. But I DO care that they know that they are in that capacity (when they are interviewing the guest and not during the discussion segment) and that they can be grilling but fair. What Gregory did was play the "I need to help our side out" card and that is unprofessional at best.

And the proper response to Boehner's comment about the lack of a Democratic bill is to pull out a statement by Reid that says this bill was brought to the Senate floor but was Senate protocoled away from being voted on. He didn't have it because it didn't exist. And Gregory knows the game that is being played. And using a football reference, he thought that it was okay to try and tackle someone sprinting down the sideline by coming onto the field during the play, even though he is not a player. And I am sure that the NBC coaches told him that he could get away with it.

[108]

Guess you just got to work a little harder pubs

"Pull up them bootstraps"

[geauxgator1]

Originally Posted by 108

Guess you just got to work a little harder pubs

"Pull up them bootstraps"

Are you saying conservatives are racists by definition? Or just admitting to the obvious media bias?

[108]

Originally Posted by geauxgator1

Are you saying conservatives are racists by definition? Or just admitting to the obvious media bias?

Nope, just that it's been the answer for everyone else's perceived victimization

[FlyingGatorII]

Originally Posted by 108

Guess you just got to work a little harder pubs

"Pull up them bootstraps"

While that is certainly true, it is sad that one of the mainstays of a democratic society, a free press, has somehow been lost. Now one has to choose which propaganda site they prefer to watch instead of just knowing they are getting the full, unvarnished story about Who, What, When, Why, Where and How. Too bad Andy Rooney's Journalists' Code was never adopted, even by him in later years..

http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=1301,3019678

[neisgator]

Originally Posted by jdrgator

Gregory is an annoying idiot, but the incessant crying by many on the right about media bias is much worse.

Crying or factual statements with endless proof.
Definitely one of the two.

[PSGator66]

The MSM are more concearned about protecting the president than the people and therefore are activists rather than journalists.

[surfn1080]

Originally Posted by neisgator

Crying or factual statements with endless proof.
Definitely one of the two.

apparently video and audio evidence is not enough....

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by surfn1080

apparently video and audio evidence is not enough....

Keep in mind, this thread started with the complaint that Gregory told Boehner that what he said was false. And it was false.

[Gatoragman]

So where are the details of this bill you say the pubs fillibustered away?

[tegator80]

Originally Posted by rivergator

Keep in mind, this thread started with the complaint that Gregory told Boehner that what he said was false. And it was false.

You know, facts are your friend. Bring them to us and we will bow to your investigative skills. Otherwise you are believing what you choose to believe.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by tegator80

You know, facts are your friend. Bring them to us and we will bow to your investigative skills. Otherwise you are believing what you choose to believe.

Hardly requires an investigation.

link

[surfn1080]

Originally Posted by rivergator

Keep in mind, this thread started with the complaint that Gregory told Boehner that what he said was false. And it was false.

actually it is very subjective if its true or not. I still have yet to see any REAL proof there was another plan.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by surfn1080

actually it is very subjective if its true or not. I still have yet to see any REAL proof there was another plan.

1. I just posted it.
2. I can't help you if you don't follow the news at all and refuse to believe everything that you didn't already know.

[tegator80]

Originally Posted by rivergator

Hardly requires an investigation.

link

Defeated by filibuster, again

Posted by Jonathan Bernstein on February 28, 2013 at 5:21 pm

(Ron Edmonds/ Associated Press)

The Democratic sequestration replacement was defeated in the Senate today. By filibuster. Reporters who don’t include that in their story aren’t doing their job...

The Democratic plan, however, was supported by a majority of the Senate, with all but three Democrats supporting it and every Republican opposed...

Of course, any bill will need both Democratic and Republican support to clear both chambers of Congress and get a presidential signature. Just because the Democrats have something that wins a majority of the Senate doesn’t automatically mean that they are more ready to compromise than the Republicans...

And at any rate: It’s just a better description of what’s actually happening in the Senate to say that something was defeated by filibuster than to say that it received 51 votes but “needed” 60. Yes, that’s standard operating procedure now, but it’s obstruction just the same, and a big part of the story.


River, you know and I know that this is a whine piece, kind of what you libs say we are always doing. It says "yes, we have a process that gets bills passed: the Senate passes bill, the House passes bill, they meet and hash out differences, they go back and vote to approve the compromise bill and then the President signs it into law. But the Senate had people who didn't keep up their side of the bargain and we want to blame the Pubs for it."

Did you notice that the Senate Dem proposal had three Dem dissenters? How is that different than the Pub dissenters? And going back to my OP, how does that give Gregory cover to call out Boehner? Again, if Reid wants to go on record that there were procedural steps that kept a viable bill from passing then let him step up...and THEN Mr. Gregory can play pit bull all he wants.

It is all so convenient to say "well, if the Senate had just halted procedures and let the majority party have its way then we can blame the Pubs in the House" and is a LOT of bull. It is called the oppression of the majority and is THE reason why we have checks and balances like the electoral college. Sorry, but that is sour grapes. And it does not support the contention that Boehner lied. But as I said, you believe what you want to believe.