O refuses to cut one penny

[northgagator]

Originally Posted by dangolegators

Not trolling, just asking a legitimate question that you still haven't answered.

I did answer your question.
Perhaps the other posters are correct in their comments that my use of facts only add confusion.

Here is the nut shell version.
1, Obama got over a trillion dollar tax increase back in Jan 1 of this year.
2, The Repubs did not get any significant spending cuts in return.
3, In the past two months Obama has requested more tax revenue. At the same time he has not offered any real cuts. Also, the size and cost of gov't is growing.
4, The Sequester spending cuts amounts to just 1% of total spending. In reality these cuts are not that harmful.
5, We have yet to set any real spending cuts from Obama that come close to the 1% of cuts that the Sequester delivers.

In closing on this item Obama could of received more revenue had he accepted the requested Repub spending cuts that would of been less than the Sequester cuts. What we are seeing here is a President who is more interested in party politics then he is in leading our (not just his) country.

You are linking things from Heritage and something called 'usgovernmentspending.com' that clearly has bogus spending numbers. This does nothing to answer the question.

I suggest that you research my sources first before you criticize them. You would not look as foolish.
1, The Heritage link provided a link that offers an honest observation of the Repub point if view. I don't think that you would get an accurate opinion from ABC or MSNBC.
2, One of the links is from Media Matters. Now are you going to tell me that Media Matters is not an acceptable source?
3, The Independent Sector is actual an offshoot of Common Cause (a lib organization).
4, usgovernmentspending.com is referred to by other media like the New York Times. Also the data that the usgovernmentspending uses is from the Federal Gov't. Before you go ant further please provide a link that this data is bogus.

You are linking things from Heritage and something called 'usgovernmentspending.com' that clearly has bogus spending numbers. This does nothing to answer the question.

I suggest that you research my sources first before you criticize them. You would not look as foolish.
1, The Heritage link provided a link that offers an honest observation of the Repub point if view. I don't think that you would get an accurate opinion from ABC or MSNBC.
2, One of the links is from Media Matters. Now are going to tell me that Media Matters is not an acceptable source?
3, The Independent Sector is actual an offshoot of Common Cause (a lib organization).
4, usgovernmentspending.com is referred to by other media like the New York Times.

The bogus issue is my fault. I did not notice the tab on the page was set for all taxes (fed, state, county, city)
Here are the correct Fed figures
2001 $1.9 Trillion
2003 $2.2 Trillion
2005 $2.5 Trillion
2007 $2.7 Trillion
2009. $3.5 Trillion
2010. $3.5 Trillion
2011. $3.6 Trillion
2012. $3.8 Trillion

2013. $3.8 Trillion
2014. $3.9 Trillion
2015. $4.1 Trillion

Even with the correct data, the budget is still climbing. Nor does it change the 1% statement.

[/quote] The sequestration cuts took effect yesterday and the Obama admin has begun to implement the cuts, so I'll ask the question again. Where is the part about Obama refusing to cut one penny?[/quote]

First of all these are not Obama's cuts.

He did not claim ownership.
In fact he demonized the Repubs with them.
The only reason we are in the Sequester is that Obama wanted more revenue without giving any spending cuts.

[g8orbill]

Originally Posted by dangolegators

Name a lie, and if it's valid, I'll criticize Obama for it. But your criteria for presidential lies has really changed now that there's a D in the office.

thanks for proving my point

[northgagator]

Originally Posted by dangolegators

'Obamacare won't add one dime to the deficit'

Not a lie

Not a truth yet either.

However several news outlets report that it will add to the deficit.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...-andrew-stiles

The true nature of Obamacare has been dripping out like Chinese water torture for three years.

'I'll close Guantanamo'

A failed promise that Obama should not have made

. A failed promise does equate to a lie

'you can keep your insurance'

Not a lie.

Many employees have, are, and will loose current cover coverage.
http://www.examiner.com/article/22-0...are-costs-rise

no lobbyists in his administration

A failed promise Obama shouldn't have made

So you approve of the buy and selling of special interest in our gov't.
A failed promise does equate to a lie

'transparency'

Not a lie, though Obama could have done better.

This last statement is a contradiction. you can not have it both ways. Did he lie or did he keep his promise?

[neisgator]

Originally Posted by dangolegators

'Obamacare won't add one dime to the deficit'

Not a lie

'I'll close Guantanamo'

A failed promise that Obama should not have made

'you can keep your insurance'

Not a lie.

no lobbyists in his administration

A failed promise Obama shouldn't have made

'transparency'

Not a lie, though Obama could have done better.

This crap post should be THE REASON no one engages you further about anything. Truly sad.

[surfn1080]

How about no new taxes? Obamacare and 2% increase payroll tax he let expire. Payroll tax increase I can deal with. The huge failure we are now about to see in obamacare I cannot.

[chemgator]

Originally Posted by dangolegators

Name a lie, and if it's valid, I'll criticize Obama for it. But your criteria for presidential lies has really changed now that there's a D in the office.

Obama's actions speak far louder than his words. He was careless enough to let slip in his first term that he no intentions of cutting any gov't program any time, anywhere. He disavowed his own "Debt Reduction Commission" and all of its findings and recommendations. His top priority every year seems to be getting the debt ceiling raised--why do you think that is? Under his administration, discretionary spending has increased 84% (21% per year). George W Bush, the Great Drunken Sailor Big Government Spender, only increased discretionary spending 7.5% per year (60% over 8 years). Where's the fiscal responsibility?

And are we getting anything for this spending? High speed rail? Smart energy grid? Anything?

[ncgatr1]

Originally Posted by chemgator

Obama's actions speak far louder than his words. He was careless enough to let slip in his first term that he no intentions of cutting any gov't program any time, anywhere. He disavowed his own "Debt Reduction Commission" and all of its findings and recommendations. His top priority every year seems to be getting the debt ceiling raised--why do you think that is? Under his administration, discretionary spending has increased 84% (21% per year). George W Bush, the Great Drunken Sailor Big Government Spender, only increased discretionary spending 7.5% per year (60% over 8 years). Where's the fiscal responsibility?

And are we getting anything for this spending? High speed rail? Smart energy grid? Anything?

Don'tforgwet he was the first one that went on record that proposed sequestration, yet the liberal media has short memory once again.

[wygator]

National review list of Obama falsehoods as reported by Politifact, the Washington Post fact checker:

While writing the previous piece where Washington Post’s The Fact Checker gave Barack Obama four Pinocchios on a statement he made on April 30, 2012, I clicked over to PolitiFact and took a look at the Obama File they keep where they have three pages of statements made by Barack Obama that were rated false statements.

Obama- If the Supreme Court throws out the federal health care law, it “would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress.”
Truth-O-Meter rating: False
(PolitiFact- Slim majority, not unprecedented)

Obama- “For the first time since 1990, American manufacturers are creating new jobs.”
Truth-O-Meter rating: False

Obama- “Preventive care … saves money, for families, for businesses, for government, for everybody.”
Truth-O-Meter rating: False
(PolitiFact- Wrong in 2009, and wrong today)

Obama- “Thirty million Americans, including a lot of people in Florida, are going to be able to get healthcare next year because of that law.”
Truth-O-Meter rating: False

Obama- “I made a bunch of these promises during the campaign. … We’ve got about 60 percent done in three years.”
Truth-O-Meter rating: False
(PolitiFact- “In the Works” does not equal “done”)

Obama Admin.- Under President Barack Obama, the United States has “doubled our exports.”
Truth-O-Meter rating: False

Obama Admin.- The president’s proposed budget “will help reduce the deficit by $400 billion over the next decade to the lowest level since Dwight Eisenhower was president.”
Truth-O-Meter rating: False
(PolitiFact-A mangled reference to a prior talking point)

Obama- Under the White House’s budget proposal, “we will not be adding more to the national debt” by the middle of the decade.
Truth-O-Meter rating: False
(PolitiFact-Revenue would equal outlays, but he ignores growing interest on the debt)

Obama- Twelve judges have thrown out legal challenges to the health care law because they rejected “the notion that the health care law was unconstitutional.”
Truth-O-Meter rating: False
(PolitiFact-Score two to two on judges’ decisions on constitionality)

Obama- “I didn’t raise taxes once.”
Truth-O-Meter rating: False
(PolitiFact-We’ve tracked a few increases)

Obama- When President Franklin D. Roosevelt started Social Security, “it only affected widows and orphans,” and when Medicare began, “it was a small program.”
Truth-O-Meter rating: False
(PolitiFact-A grain of truth in the big picture, far off on the details)

Obama- The Bush administration had been “giving (auto companies) billions of dollars and just asking nothing in return.”
Truth-O-Meter rating: False

Obama- “The vast majority of the money I got was from small donors all across the country.”
Truth-O-Meter rating: False
(PolitiFact-Big donors bankrolled much of Obama’s campaign)

Obama- “We’ve excluded lobbyists from policymaking jobs.”
Truth-O-Meter rating: False
(PolitiFact-We found at least four)

Obama- When Obama was interviewed by American reporters in Asia, “Not one of them asked me about Asia. Not one of them asked me about the economy.”
Truth-O-Meter rating: False
(PolitiFact-More than one did)

Obama- Insurers delayed an Illinois man’s treatment, “and he died because of it.”
Truth-O-Meter rating: False
(Insurer’s decision was reversed and man lived three more years)

Obama- Health reform will “give every American the same opportunity” to buy health insurance the way members of Congress do.
Truth-O-Meter rating: False

Obama- Preventive care “saves money.”
Truth-O-Meter rating: False
(PolitiFact-Covering preventive care for everyone is a net cost)

Obama- (No earmarks in spending bill)
Truth-O-Meter rating: False

That was only from page one of Obama’s false statement PolitiFact files.

(Note- Skipped one from page one because while PolitiFact rated it as false it was because Obama misspoke and quoted the wrong time frame, so I don’t count that as an outright lie to the American people, just sloppy.)

Page two is here and page three is here.

Noteworthy- Those three pages do not include the five instances where Obama was ruled worse than “false” but were called “pants on fire” false.

The another three pages of statements that are listed as “mostly false” on the Truth-O-Meter.

Mostly false statements by Obama or his administration- Page one here, page two here and page three here.
- See more at: http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/f....qAz1NM5Y.dpuf

There's more if you follow the link:

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/

[northgagator]

Originally Posted by wygator

National review list of Obama falsehoods as reported by Politifact, the Washington Post fact checker:

There's more if you follow the link:

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/

If Obama were Pinocle he would have a strained neck holding his head up (the weight from the nose).

[gatorpa]

Originally Posted by dangolegators

'Obamacare won't add one dime to the deficit'

Not a lie

'I'll close Guantanamo'

A failed promise that Obama should not have made

'you can keep your insurance'

Not a lie.

no lobbyists in his administration

A failed promise Obama shouldn't have made

'transparency'

Not a lie, though Obama could have done better.

Even the GAO disagrees on that, and we know what crappy accutaries they are!


When pitching the bill in 2009, President Barack Obama said the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act “would not add one dime to the deficit, now or in the future, period.”
But a new report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) found that “Obamacare” will take a .7 percent bite out of GDP over a 75-year period, amounting to $6.2 trillion in deficits.



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/27/ga...#ixzz2MVu05twr

But perhaps Obama wasn't lying on purpose, he just did not read or understand the bill either!!

[Gatorrick22]

Originally Posted by dangolegators

Not trolling, just asking a legitimate question that you still haven't answered. You are linking things from Heritage and something called 'usgovernmentspending.com' that clearly has bogus spending numbers. This does nothing to answer the question.

He answered it - you just refuse to see it in his post.

[Lawdog88]

Could we just take a vote of no confidence, and make all of them resign ?

[northgagator]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

Could we just take a vote of no confidence, and make all of them resign ?

Question: Is the vote based on their idiocy or their end game for political destruction of each other? I will vote yes either way!

[squigator]

Originally Posted by northgagator

......Question to the Libs: Brother do you have a penny to spare?

Libs are always demanding our spare change:

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clip...nt-have-change

[jmoliver]

The sequestor will not happen.

Lie

Teachers are losing their jobs.

Lie

[Matthanuf06]

Originally Posted by chemgator

Obama's actions speak far louder than his words. He was careless enough to let slip in his first term that he no intentions of cutting any gov't program any time, anywhere. He disavowed his own "Debt Reduction Commission" and all of its findings and recommendations. His top priority every year seems to be getting the debt ceiling raised--why do you think that is? Under his administration, discretionary spending has increased 84% (21% per year). George W Bush, the Great Drunken Sailor Big Government Spender, only increased discretionary spending 7.5% per year (60% over 8 years). Where's the fiscal responsibility?

And are we getting anything for this spending? High speed rail? Smart energy grid? Anything?

You last point is key. I hate government spending and it's highly inefficient. But Obamas spending takes it to a new level. Instead of having a ROI that is a tad below the private sector for a comparable project it is totally nonexistent. For this spending we've gotten pretty much nothing. It's amazing

[PSGator66]

Everything he says is a lie.

[The_Graygator]

Originally Posted by Gatorrick22

He answered it - you just refuse to see it in his post.

LOL!

Touche'!

Libs absolutely cannot stand being refuted, and if they are, either they won't aknowledge the info you refuted them with or they just declare themselves the "winner" by calling you a liar.

[dangolegators]

Originally Posted by northgagator

I did answer your question.
Perhaps the other posters are correct in their comments that my use of facts only add confusion.

Here is the nut shell version.
1, Obama got over a trillion dollar tax increase back in Jan 1 of this year.
2, The Repubs did not get any significant spending cuts in return.
3, In the past two months Obama has requested more tax revenue. At the same time he has not offered any real cuts. Also, the size and cost of gov't is growing.
4, The Sequester spending cuts amounts to just 1% of total spending. In reality these cuts are not that harmful.
5, We have yet to set any real spending cuts from Obama that come close to the 1% of cuts that the Sequester delivers.

Obama's plan to avert the sequester included about 800 billion in spending cuts. Your title, 'Obama refuses to cut one penny' is not true. On top of that, your post was based on a column that described the effects of the sequester as cutting one penny from every dollar in the budget for 2013. There is nothing about Obama 'refusing' to cut one penny. Obama was hoping to avert the sequester with a better deal. That didn't happen. Obama is complying with the sequester and the executive branch has begun making the cuts. Your thread title is a lie.

[wygator]

Originally Posted by dangolegators

Obama's plan to avert the sequester included about 800 billion in spending cuts. Your title, 'Obama refuses to cut one penny' is not true. On top of that, your post was based on a column that described the effects of the sequester as cutting one penny from every dollar in the budget for 2013. There is nothing about Obama 'refusing' to cut one penny. Obama was hoping to avert the sequester with a better deal. That didn't happen. Obama is complying with the sequester and the executive branch has begun making the cuts. Your thread title is a lie.

That's 800 billion over 10 years, right?

All it does is slow the rate of growth. Is that really a cut?