Gator Country

GATORAZ · 02-28-2013, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bradass

So the Alex Smith trade was just my imagination?

is this a serious question?

Tebowism0823 · 02-28-2013, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Distant Gator

Cecil you are a great poster but you are assuming things that are not factual in regards to Tebow and Jax. As far as I know, no one knows whether Tebow had a choice regarding Jax vs NY. The stories contradict. I've heard different things.

And if he did have a choice- it's clear that NY had a sales pitch "Come be our Wildcat QB" while Jax's was "Our coaches don't want you but the owner might because he could sell a few tickets." Which would you have taken?

(Not at Cecil.) As far as Tebow not being an NFL QB- that's another assumption that is not a fact. Didn't Tebow throw for 316 yards vs the #1 rated defense? Didn't he score 30 pts against that same D and win a playoff game? And didn't he take a team that was 1-4 and go 8-5- with 2 of those losses being to Super Bowl bound New England? Taking a last place team to the 2nd round of the playoffs SOUNDS like an NFL QB to me.

But I guess if Merrill Hoge says he isn't an NFL QB then he's not.

+1

elrongator · 02-28-2013, 02:06 PM

Make that +2

Tebow is a winner. It's not his fault he had to deal with a jealous horse faced GM who wanted to remain Denver's one and only favored son.
Equally not his fault he was traded with little to no apparent input to the stinking pit known as the New York Jet.
Rex Ryan is a blow hard fetish loving weirdo with little proof to support that he has even a decent football coaching acumen.

Spleezy · 02-28-2013, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tegator80

First, Tim is 10x more of a leader than Vince Young and the teammates who have played with him in the NFL can attest to that. If Tim gets the Young treatment then that is all anyone can expect. But right now there seems to be a series of unfortunate events that is short circuiting his audition, even with the dramatics of 2011. If Tim falls short (see Weurffel, Danny; Spurrier, Stephen) then so be it. No one is saying he is destined for NFL greatness but we are frustrated with the goings-on in the business of the NFL.

I don't think many fans would be happy with Tim getting the 'Vince Young Treatment' do you know what happened to him during his career? Outside of his rookie year and 2007 the guy hardly played (started). Lots of injuries and personal issues but was replaced by Kerry Collins.....could you imagine if Tim Tebow got injured and was replaced by Kerry Collins?! This site would burn down. Not to mention Jeff Fisher never really wanted Young.

haddon · 02-28-2013, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by manigordo

Tim Tebow is not the first elite college QB who was not a pro QB. Just because Florida fans love him does not mean that he can make it as a pro. get over it. Somehow, if it comes to that, I think Tim will.

There is no insult here.

i'd be completely fine with this if it was crystal clear that he "was not a pro QB". the only thing stopping me from believing this is that the last time he played as a pro QB, he lead a losing team to the playoffs. did he look unorthodox and, at times, flat out ugly doing it? yes. but you are what your record says you are, so i can't just unquestioningly accept the "he can't play QB in the nfl" line. he's already shown that it's at least plausible.

manigordo · 02-28-2013, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by haddon

i'd be completely fine with this if it was crystal clear that he "was not a pro QB". the only thing stopping me from believing this is that the last time he played as a pro QB, he lead a losing team to the playoffs. did he look unorthodox and, at times, flat out ugly doing it? yes. but you are what your record says you are, so i can't just unquestioningly accept the "he can't play QB in the nfl" line. he's already shown that it's at least plausible.

It isn't crystal clear to me either. What I know is that just because Gator fans cite him as the reason for the Denver wins doesn't make it true. As you suggest, he doesn't really look like a pro QB and there are plenty of good football people of who believe he does not have the right skill set for a pro QB.

My opinion is more about Gator fans, because we love Tim, believing that he is being "dissed" and "insulted" by know nothing NFL execs and coaches who are out to hurt him.

There are a lot of teams out there and none seem to be falling over themselves to put Tim at the helm; a conspiracy and an outrage to many Gator fans.

Occam's Razor applies.

tegator80 · 02-28-2013, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Spleezy

I don't think many fans would be happy with Tim getting the 'Vince Young Treatment' do you know what happened to him during his career? Outside of his rookie year and 2007 the guy hardly played (started). Lots of injuries and personal issues but was replaced by Kerry Collins.....could you imagine if Tim Tebow got injured and was replaced by Kerry Collins?! This site would burn down. Not to mention Jeff Fisher never really wanted Young.

What I said is that is all to expect. Anything more accommodating than that is looking through O&B glasses. I think that Vince got a chance to show whether he is starting caliber and even was signed to be a backup just in case Plan A didn't work (see Philly) so if that is what Tim gets and he is still put on the sidelines or out of the league then that is that. I do not send angry emails to NFL teams admonishing their lack of support for "my guy." It is a cold-hearted business that must be held to a high standard of accountability (too much money to be made or lost).

And it is plausible that the Jets will attempt to minimize the perception that they are incompetent by releasing him only after the final cuts. I just hope that the people who are no longer associated with the Jets are talked to, if any team is interested in Tim, either now or when he finally gets cut.

tilly · 02-28-2013, 03:30 PM

They haven't cut him, because he probably holds some small trade value. You cant make trades right now in the NFL. Once you can, my guess is someone will offer a low pick for him.

demosthenes · 02-28-2013, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tilly

They haven't cut him, because he probably holds some small trade value. You cant make trades right now in the NFL. Once you can, my guess is someone will offer a low pick for him.

A team already went out and acquired Alex Smith (tentatively). What does that say about the league's perception of Tebow when a team gives up that much for a player like Smith and nothing so much as rumor of interest in Tebow?

IH8REFS · 02-28-2013, 06:36 PM

The fact is that the only coaches that have the balls to run an offense in which Tebow might be productive (Harbaugh and Shanahan) already have QBs. Perhaps Reid is looking to do something similar, but he chose Smith over Tebow. There are 32 starting quarterbacks in the NFL. This is a very limited market, and it's even more limited when you are not a traditional QB.

geauxgator1 · 02-28-2013, 08:05 PM

The Jets have really trashed him by treating him the way they have. What a fiasco in NY, really a bunch of clowns, from the owner, GM, head coach an OC, trying to run an NFL franchise. Tim got stabbed,and looks like he will suffer professionally from here on out. I don't see another franchise giving him a chance. It burns me up to see what Denver and the NY did to the guy. I hate to say it, but he may have to go the CFL for a few years like Flutie and Warren Moon did. I guess I will start following Canadian Football.

JohnC1908 · 02-28-2013, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by channingcrowderhungry

Shocking that another Tebow thread instantly turned into a Jags bashing thread. Don't worry about the 31 other teams that don't want Tebow, carry on like clockwork.

Every time.

CAGator93 · 02-28-2013, 10:55 PM

Hope he gets out of there. The Jets are a disaster.

haddon · 02-28-2013, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by manigordo

It isn't crystal clear to me either. What I know is that just because Gator fans cite him as the reason for the Denver wins doesn't make it true. As you suggest, he doesn't really look like a pro QB and there are plenty of good football people of who believe he does not have the right skill set for a pro QB.

My opinion is more about Gator fans, because we love Tim, believing that he is being "dissed" and "insulted" by know nothing NFL execs and coaches who are out to hurt him.

There are a lot of teams out there and none seem to be falling over themselves to put Tim at the helm; a conspiracy and an outrage to many Gator fans.

Occam's Razor applies.

i agree all around. hope some team gives him another shot.

SkyChimp · 03-01-2013, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by fubar1

The NFL just needs to fold up the shop on the Jags and let the rest of the teams pick over the players. The franchise is dead, the owner and GM are dolts and the city doesn't adequately support the team.

Time to do what already should have been done.

Couldn't disagree more with you. The same statement has been said in the past about the Chiefs, Chargers, Saints, and Panthers. They are still here and their city & states support them.

mikehev · 03-01-2013, 07:46 AM

2 myths I have seen on this post so far...

1. "Tim Tebow cannot become a successful pro QB": evidence suggests the opposite, he was given a shot with a last place team, lead them to reverse momentum, and then win a playoff game against what was then the number 1 defense in the NFL. If he was given an adequate shot since that time and failed, this may be an argument to consider. The fact is, he has not been given any shot, thus speculation by a group of so-called "experts" who were wrong about him the first time somehow rules in this case? illogical.

2. "Jacksonville does not support its team": This is another farse. .500 teams in the NFL would have been happy to have had the fan support % per capita that Jacksonville, the 2nd worst team in the NFL this year, gave the Jags.

In Christ forever,
Mike
John 3:16

**luciaboy** · 03-01-2013, 07:48 AM

tim needs to head to the cfl for a chance to play qb

your_perfect_enemy · 03-01-2013, 08:36 AM

and now comes word the jets worked out david garrad who wasnt any good when healthy in addition to quinn who Tebow already beat out once. good thing they hired a new gm to make even worse decisions.

**G8RNTN** · 03-01-2013, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bradass

So the Alex Smith trade was just my imagination?

Will be official on march 12th.

ETGator1 · 03-01-2013, 08:53 AM

Do we have to continue to keep up with the Jets moves? It's trade or release for Tim Tebow. There isn't anything involving the Jets that I'd care to know about other than the trade or release of Tim Tebow. The Jets aren't worth the time or the animosity. I'm sure Tim wouldn't want us dwelling on his Jets situation. Whatever happens, it's a win for Tim getting out of New York.