02-27-2013, 05:33 PM
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The defensive formula for beating the Gators.
Cover the perimiter and force us to drive/score inside.
Now most teams do not have the talent to play that perimiter defense or lack the offensive game to offset their lack of defense, but...
UT has it though.
Which means when we play these types of teams, Patrick, Will and Murphy are going to have to score 30-35 points on the inside (offensive rebounding too). Or Billy will have to change the offense to run an up tempo attack (we hold the ball in half court sets more than anybody).
It doesn't appear we are going to win any nail biters at the end either.
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02-27-2013, 05:45 PM
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You left out catching them short-handed.
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02-27-2013, 05:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ncbullgator
Cover the perimiter and force us to drive/score inside.
Now most teams do not have the talent to play that perimiter defense or lack the offensive game to offset their lack of defense, but...
UT has it though.
Which means when we play these types of teams, Patrick, Will and Murphy are going to have to score 30-35 points on the inside (offensive rebounding too). Or Billy will have to change the offense to run an up tempo attack (we hold the ball in half court sets more than anybody).
It doesn't appear we are going to win any nail biters at the end either.

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The last nail-biter I remember was a half-court Hail Mary at the buzzer that won the game a few years back.
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02-27-2013, 06:06 PM
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The formula is to switch every ball screen quickly and effectively. This basically eliminates Murphy, which hurts our spacing.
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02-27-2013, 06:19 PM
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Good news is that they call fouls in the NCAA tourney
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02-27-2013, 06:20 PM
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I disagree to a point. Against Mizzou and against UT it wasn't like we were missing contested threes. We missed open shot after open shot. We are a 3 pt shooting team and we lose when those shots aren't falling. In a given game we need 2 of our 4 3 pt shooters to be hot to win. When we have 3 or 4 it is a blowout when we have 1 like we did last night it is a long night.
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02-27-2013, 06:43 PM
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We struggle the most when the other team plays tight defense on the outside, usually by having athletic and tall enough players at multiple positions to be able to switch ball screens. One play that teams have been doing a good job of guarding against with us is when Young sets a screen then rolls to the hoop for the lob jam.
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02-27-2013, 07:57 PM
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The formula for beating a team with six players who are capable of playing at a high level is pretty simple: you wear them down. We've seen games (Mizzou and Tennessee) where the game has just gotten away from us in the last ten minutes, and that's a sure sign of fatigue. Now, not only are we missing arguably our best pure defender, but also our best three-point shooter.
Notice that these teams look a whole lot more athletic in the last ten minutes of games, switching on our ball screens. Tired teams settle for shots, usually aren't patient enough to work the ball around, and defensive breakdowns become more common. It also didn't help that we didn't have an answer for McCrae.
Florida will be a different team next week.
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02-27-2013, 08:43 PM
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I thought we might lead some of the game last night and we started off good. Noahbean bizzel You are dead on that at the ten minute mark we started fading, they caught up.
The second half we played with urgency and drove the ball more, they were trying to protect the lead, it whittle down till they made Ft's when needed. Our 3 pt shots by Rosario, Boynton and Murphy hit the front of the rim. This is a sign of being fatigued.
We had our chance but once again on the road with a team that was ready and they played 10 players. Last night I felt it was the difference along with the big game McRae had.
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02-27-2013, 09:24 PM
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Best defense against a team like ours is force us to shoot 3s and hope we are cold. The last 2 road games were like that. Had we hit our usual average, we would have won both by a wide margin. But, you can't expect to hit 50% 3s all year long. Not going inside also means we don't get to the line very often. Don't get to the line also hurts experience in game situations. You can shoot 500 FTs in practice every day and make all of them, but if you aren't getting to the line in a game, it counts for nothing. We also make it more difficult to foul out our opponents.
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02-27-2013, 09:30 PM
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I agree w bakaduin...thats a good way to put it
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02-27-2013, 09:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RealGatorFan
Not going inside also means we don't get to the line very often. Don't get to the line also hurts experience in game situations. You can shoot 500 FTs in practice every day and make all of them, but if you aren't getting to the line in a game, it counts for nothing. We also make it more difficult to foul out our opponents.
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We are 334th out of 347 teams according to KenPom's free throw rate stat which is FTA divided by FGA. Indiana is 3rd in the country for comparison.
We are second to last in the entire country in terms of the percentage of our total points that come from our free throws.
UCONN a few years ago was not a team that got to the line a ton but the rest of the recent champs have been at least middle of the road in this stat.
Not being a team that likes to drive as much or go inside and draw fouls scares me as there will be times we need to do this when we happen to go cold from outside. However, we have not been strong in our free throw volume since the 04's left and have been on the cusp of two final 4's in a row so take that however you see fit.
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02-28-2013, 12:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ncbullgator
Cover the perimiter and force us to drive/score inside.
Now most teams do not have the talent to play that perimiter defense or lack the offensive game to offset their lack of defense, but...
UT has it though.
Which means when we play these types of teams, Patrick, Will and Murphy are going to have to score 30-35 points on the inside (offensive rebounding too). Or Billy will have to change the offense to run an up tempo attack (we hold the ball in half court sets more than anybody).
It doesn't appear we are going to win any nail biters at the end either.

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UT? really? We drove the ball on them, but missed 4-5 layups in the 2nd half and made that many more. We also missed 4-6 WIDE OPEn 3s. Granted, the layups were contested and difficult, but make half of them and half of the un-guarded 3s and its an easy win.
Our guards are atheltic enough to drive to the hoop for the layup or easy pass to a big.
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02-28-2013, 07:49 PM
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6 not 10
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Originally Posted by bullish
I thought we might lead some of the game last night and we started off good. Noahbean bizzel You are dead on that at the ten minute mark we started fading, they caught up.
The second half we played with urgency and drove the ball more, they were trying to protect the lead, it whittle down till they made Ft's when needed. Our 3 pt shots by Rosario, Boynton and Murphy hit the front of the rim. This is a sign of being fatigued.
We had our chance but once again on the road with a team that was ready and they played 10 players. Last night I felt it was the difference along with the big game McRae had.
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If you look at the box score it appears to me that Tennessee used primarily 6 players (not 10).. I'm referrring to the minutes played.
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02-28-2013, 08:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gator2109
We are 334th out of 347 teams according to KenPom's free throw rate stat which is FTA divided by FGA. Indiana is 3rd in the country for comparison.
We are second to last in the entire country in terms of the percentage of our total points that come from our free throws.
UCONN a few years ago was not a team that got to the line a ton but the rest of the recent champs have been at least middle of the road in this stat.
Not being a team that likes to drive as much or go inside and draw fouls scares me as there will be times we need to do this when we happen to go cold from outside. However, we have not been strong in our free throw volume since the 04's left and have been on the cusp of two final 4's in a row so take that however you see fit.
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Well as I have mentioned, UF has had only two close games where UF led and the opponent might have fouled to try to get in the lead. Zona did and UF got one foul shot. As I remember UMo did not foul despite UF lead.
So rather than 8 to 10 close games while leading where the opponent might have fouled UF's ball handler 3 to 4 or more times, UF has only had two such games. So UF missed out on 60 to 80 free throws that other teams have had.
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02-28-2013, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by InstiGATOR1
Well as I have mentioned, UF has had only two close games where UF led and the opponent might have fouled to try to get in the lead. Zona did and UF got one foul shot. As I remember UMo did not foul despite UF lead.
So rather than 8 to 10 close games while leading where the opponent might have fouled UF's ball handler 3 to 4 or more times, UF has only had two such games. So UF missed out on 60 to 80 free throws that other teams have had.
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We've been in the bottom half, and often the bottom fourth, of this stat every year since the 04s left.
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02-28-2013, 09:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gator2109
We've been in the bottom half, and often the bottom fourth, of this stat every year since the 04s left.
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But not at the very bottom.
On the main topic of this thread, one thing blowing out people at home and away early in the SEC schedule did was cause all teams to know to even have a shot at UF, they have to play their best defensive game. So UF does in fact usually does get the opponent's best defensive effort.
Of course the defensive game plan against everyone is to play your hardest, stay focused and not get lazy and leave people open. UF has given opponents an incentive to do just that.
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02-28-2013, 10:49 PM
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Seeing that we constantly screen, a team that is able to switch on those screens and not get caught in mismatches are the ones that present the greatest challange.
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03-01-2013, 12:31 AM
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Strategy for Beating the Gators
1. Make sure the Gators have 2 of there top 8 injured or playing limted minutes
2. Play a late night Gator Road Game in front of sellout crowd
3. Instruct referees to allow wrestling and lots of physical contact
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03-01-2013, 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by GatorJason
Strategy for Beating the Gators
1. Make sure the Gators have 2 of there top 8 injured or playing limted minutes
2. Play a late night Gator Road Game in front of sellout crowd
3. Instruct referees to allow wrestling and lots of physical contact
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How easily you discount the absence of our best player; for the entire season. Maymon's 13 and 8 per game I'd argue are missed more than Yuegete and Frazier. Cuonzo has adjusted and got others ready to play, maybe Billy should have a 10-11 man rotation to call on if needed. That's poor coaching and/or recruiting on his part to only have 6 capable of going.
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