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[HALLGATOR]

Originally Posted by BEH

They have 13 scholy's. How many teams play more than 7? How do you keep team continueity with more than 7?

UK won last year with basically 6.
Uconn won year before last with basically 7.
Duke won three years ago with basically 6.

How well does "basically 6" translate into 6 in your world?

[tommyuf21]

Six guys will work if all of them are playing well.

You have only six and two have subpar games, the other four better outperform their average to make up for it.

That didn't happen last night.

[tommyuf21]

I like to go 7-8 deep, because you're always going to have some players who have an off night or get into foul trouble.

Six gives you absolutely no room for error.

[NorthCaptivaGator]

Originally Posted by BEH

Many title teams play 6 players. Depth is the most overrated thing there is. Only five players can be on the court at a time. Six quality players in good shape can do it.

Did I say I hope we beat UK at Rupp?

[gator2109]

Originally Posted by BEH

They have 13 scholy's. How many teams play more than 7? How do you keep team continueity with more than 7?

UK won last year with basically 6.
Uconn won year before last with basically 7.
Duke won three years ago with basically 6.

UK had a 7 man rotation. Wiltjer played around 12 mins a game on average. That is significant. Also, UK almost doesn't apply here. They had NBA talent everywhere and had a better regular season than most in recent memory.

UCONN had 8 and you could even make an argument they played 10 as their last two guys still played around 25% of the total minutes they could have on the season which is about 10 mins a game each.

Duke had 8 that contributed significant minutes. Mason Plumlee and Dawkins each played around 12 minutes per game on average.

Every game is different and you will have guys get fatigued, get into foul trouble, etc. Having a 7-8+ man rotation that you can rely on to eat up some minutes when needed is invaluable.

[gator7_5]

Originally Posted by gator2109

UK had a 7 man rotation. Wiltjer played around 12 mins a game on average. That is significant. Also, UK almost doesn't apply here. They had NBA talent everywhere and had a better regular season than most in recent memory.

UCONN had 8 and you could even make an argument they played 10 as their last two guys still played around 25% of the total minutes they could have on the season which is about 10 mins a game each.

Duke had 8 that contributed significant minutes. Mason Plumlee and Dawkins each played around 12 minutes per game on average.

Every game is different and you will have guys get fatigued, get into foul trouble, etc. Having a 7-8+ man rotation that you can rely on to eat up some minutes when needed is invaluable.

Rebuttal? Nah, didn't think so.

[REM08]

Originally Posted by gator7_5

Rebuttal? Nah, didn't think so.

I think the disagreement you guys are having comes down to the criteria you put on being in "the rotation" - and how you even define that.


I don't know UConn and Duke, but last year's UK team had Kyle playing 11 minutes a game, with the next least being Darius Miller at 26 per. I'm honestly not sure how I'd define last year's rotation, but I can see how some would call it a 6 man team. Its not unreasonable to suggest that Kyle's 5pts and 1.8rebounds a game were not required (when compared to what the 8th or 9th man could have done in comparison in similar minutes) to win a title last year.

So do we define a rotation by how many players average double digit minutes? Or could we call it the number of guys that really couldn't be replaced and offered valuable contributions?

Its probably a safe assumption that a team with 6 guys playing starters minutes who were each selected in the following NBA draft is probably going to be successful. The question is how applicable is this to "6 man teams" that have different circumstances.

[GothamGator]

Originally Posted by REM08

I think Stokes is a good guy and still wish we'd landed him at Kentucky. Florida fans would like him if they had him also.

I dont' know how you bash a kid for post game comments like this. Isn't that what you want players to think? He's got the right mindset whether its accurate or not.

It's the right mindset, but better that it not be expressed. It's going to motivate us every time we face that guy from now on.

[tommyuf21]

Originally Posted by REM08

Its probably a safe assumption that a team with 6 guys playing starters minutes who were each selected in the following NBA draft is probably going to be successful. The question is how applicable is this to "6 man teams" that have different circumstances.

The circumstances make all of the difference in the world. 6 guys, who are all future pros, and who played consistently well and had no injury issues can do it without much help.

With our injury problems this year and the lack of a dominant, game changing player, 6 isn't going to cut it.

[GothamGator]

Originally Posted by REM08

This is the 3rd thread I've had to make this point in. Florida isn't the only team in the country with injuries. That orange team you played last night is without a guy who was supposed to be their best player this year.

I'm not sure Maymon would have been their best player, but he was certainly a huge loss.

People just look at things differently when a player is down for the year than when he's going to be coming back. He's never been a part of their team this year, so you don't really play all the "what if" games. When a guy sits down for 2-3 games, it's different. The injury seems like more of an aberration, since you still have a full strength roster that will include him.

I think it's also worth pointing out that while everyone has injuries, we've had a lot more than most. Yes, missing a guy like Maymon or Noel is huge, but we've had nearly every player on the roster go down at some point during the season. We've only had our usual 8-man rotation for 7 of our 27 games, and that doesn't include times when guys have been playing but aren't 100%. Hopefully, we can have everyone healthy and ready to go staring March 15 and thereafter (or maybe even March 9).

[gtr2x]

No problem with what he said. Vols have dominated UF since he has been there. I will say that I thought he would be the difference in the game if the Vols won, but that wasnt the case at all. He had a good game on the boards, but if anybody on the Vols should be talking it would be McRae.

[GothamGator]

UK had a 7 man rotation last year. Having Wiltjer in to give the big guys a breather was important. Not as important as a guy like Yeguete, who is basically a starter, but similar to a guy like Frazier. Without Frazier putting in quality minutes, our backcourt got gassed, and it showed in our second half shooting.

Some of you guys make Wiltjer sound like Vargas - who played in 33 games last year at an average of 6 minutes per game. I wouldn't suggest that Vargas means UK had an 8-man rotation. But, being in every game for an average of 12 minutes is pretty much average backup time.

[jareduf]

We have a really good shot to play them in the semi-final of SEC tournament. If they lose prior to that, then he's free to feel that way all the way to the NIT.

If they make it to the semi-finals, I guarantee that Florida will use these comments as extra motivation. This is a comment he may live to regret.

He is entitled to believe what he wants, but personally I wouldn't want my players giving a team that they may play again in 2 weeks even more motivation...especially Patrick Young.

[mac4lyfe]

Why are some of you using the "6 man" excuse???

Who decided to play 6 men? I don't see any NCAA rules that say you can't go deeper in your bench. I think we actually played 8 guys last night but no matter the number the only team to blame is ours. Unless you're telling me that Tennessee only allowed 6 of our players in the building???

[gator2109]

Originally Posted by REM08

I think the disagreement you guys are having comes down to the criteria you put on being in "the rotation" - and how you even define that.


I don't know UConn and Duke, but last year's UK team had Kyle playing 11 minutes a game, with the next least being Darius Miller at 26 per. I'm honestly not sure how I'd define last year's rotation, but I can see how some would call it a 6 man team. Its not unreasonable to suggest that Kyle's 5pts and 1.8rebounds a game were not required (when compared to what the 8th or 9th man could have done in comparison in similar minutes) to win a title last year.

So do we define a rotation by how many players average double digit minutes? Or could we call it the number of guys that really couldn't be replaced and offered valuable contributions?

Its probably a safe assumption that a team with 6 guys playing starters minutes who were each selected in the following NBA draft is probably going to be successful. The question is how applicable is this to "6 man teams" that have different circumstances.

This is why I noted in my post that UK almost doesn't apply here. They had a stacked team with their starting 5 being NBA caliber, blue chip recruits. They are the exception in this argument, not the rule.

[bullish]

I don't want to face them in Nashville, that is a home game for them. The officiating will be the same. Bulldose then throw it up. When we are double teaming Stokes, then outside McRae got loose and did his damage. They, the Vols are getting it together and are winning games, that is what matters. Hopefully we both get to the finals, then with our returning mash unit will be able to overcome poor shooting and the officiating. Maybe we will win a road game with a team that has a pulse. This gator team had all these guys when we played Arz and Kansas St., so I don't know if they will be enough to pull us through, but I dam sure hope so. We live and die by the three.

[regurgigator]

Originally Posted by mac4lyfe

Why are some of you using the "6 man" excuse???

Who decided to play 6 men? I don't see any NCAA rules that say you can't go deeper in your bench. I think we actually played 8 guys last night but no matter the number the only team to blame is ours. Unless you're telling me that Tennessee only allowed 6 of our players in the building???

We're talking about the difference between being able to put in 2 more proven contributors (one who I consider to be as important as any starter: Yeguete) versus putting in other players off the bench (yes, as many as you want, up to about 5 or 6 or so) who are not ready to contribute.


Actually, I didn't see any problems with Braxton's play although he may have been hurting us defensively and that's why Billy didn't play him much. But, Walker was definitely getting abused inside and we couldn't afford to give him any more minutes than we did IMHO.

[bullish]

Someone please cut and paste these words in the Gator locker-room!

[ArtVandelay]

Originally Posted by GothamGator

It's the right mindset, but better that it not be expressed.

I agree with this. If he was asked the question, then its a different story. He should be thinking it, but probably better off not saying.