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Old 03-01-2013, 09:13 AM   #101
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It's been really interesting to see party politics at work here. Hagel's basically been treated as though he were a democrat.
Well, his politics are certainly more closely aligned to the neocom, pre-911, anti-CIA/FBI policies that led to the collapse of the twin towers.
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Old 03-01-2013, 06:28 PM   #102
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Again, context is everything and the meaning of those words, which were truthful and balanced, change significantly when taken out of context. If you don't think that's a smear then we have different standards for both truth and fair treatment of people's words, whether they are left, right, or from Mars.
your original post linked an article that said it was a smear because that was not Hagel's quote.

context or not, the man said Israel was engaged in "sickening slaughter"

this is not about what Israel is or is not doing....this is about you screaming smear job because some senators from the R side of the aisle quoted the man correctly

It is not a smear if that is what the man said.....did he say it or not?

man up and admit it
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Old 03-01-2013, 06:44 PM   #103
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your original post linked an article that said it was a smear because that was not Hagel's quote.

context or not, the man said Israel was engaged in "sickening slaughter"

this is not about what Israel is or is not doing....this is about you screaming smear job because some senators from the R side of the aisle quoted the man correctly

It is not a smear if that is what the man said.....did he say it or not?

man up and admit it
You have my points as well as that of the reporter and the senator who corrected the smear, which was only one of many out of context quotes used by republicans to create a false picture of Hagel and his opinions. I get that you buy that horse s..t.
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You have my points as well as that of the reporter and the senator who corrected the smear, which was only one of many out of context quotes used by republicans to create a false picture of Hagel and his opinions. I get that you buy that horse s..t.
It is only "out of context" because it is a true statement made by Chuck Hagel that makes Chuck Hagel looks bad....

It is Horses**t, to quote you, because it makes you look bad for spreading that bs garbage

I dont care what Israel is or is not doing, I am not condemning or condoning or commenting on any conduct by Israel

IT WAS NOT A SMEAR JOB. THE MAN SAID IT AND HE MEANT THAT ISRAEL WAS ENGAGED IN SICKENING SLAUGHTER.

Im sorry you cant see this simple point
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It is only "out of context" because it is a true statement made by Chuck Hagel that makes Chuck Hagel looks bad....

It is Horses**t, to quote you, because it makes you look bad for spreading that bs garbage

I dont care what Israel is or is not doing, I am not condemning or condoning or commenting on any conduct by Israel

IT WAS NOT A SMEAR JOB. THE MAN SAID IT AND HE MEANT THAT ISRAEL WAS ENGAGED IN SICKENING SLAUGHTER.

Im sorry you cant see this simple point
Since you persist - and this is my last attempt to try and help you - from your statement above you don't seem to understand what "out of context" means and how it applies to the OP.

Out of context
The practice of quoting out of context, sometimes referred to as "contextomy" or "quote mining", is a logical fallacy and a type of false attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning.[1]
Engel, Morris S., With Good Reason: An Introduction to Informal Fallacies (1994), pp. 106-107 ISBN 0-312-15758-4
The quotes from the OP:
"“Senator Hagel has accused Israel of quote ‘playing games’ and committing, quote, ‘sickening slaughter,’ ” Sen. Roger Wicker (R-Miss.) said before Tuesday’s confirmation vote, which had been delayed 12 days by a Republican filibuster.
The meaning of this misquote is to present Hagel as an enemy of Israel and sympathizer with it's enemies. Remember that this is in the context of an organized Republican party attack which included other charges by senators of that party that he belonged to a fictional group named Friends of Hamas, did not think Hamas was a terrorist organization, and that he very likely had been on the payroll of Iran and North Korea. It also implied that he had not been a supporter of Israeli interests as a member of the Senate or elsewhere. All of these charges are false - and some of them are deranged - and the reason he was misquoted again was to further persuade the gullible into believing the false picture they spent so much time and energy painting.
"As Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.) pointed out, what the nominee had in fact said, during a Senate speech on the 2006 Lebanon war, was this: “The sickening slaughter on both sides must end.”"
The meaning of this complete quote is that both Hamas and Israel have committed actions which have "slaugtered" thousands of innocent civilians and it must end. In the context of Hagel's actual record for voting for military and other aid for Israel, his vocal support for the importance of Israel as our friend and as our most important ally in the mid-East and his many statements about Hamas and Iran as supporters of terrorism, the meaning of this quote is that of a thoughtful ally asking all - including our friend - to cool it, in their own interests, but especially of those dying on the urban battlefield, something he had personally experienced in his life.

I hope this helps you grasp what "context" means as well as understand what a smear is when words are taken out of context. If not, good luck and rant on.
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