Hagel confirmed as Sec of D despite neo-con smears

[mastoidbone]

Is it anti-Semitic for a powerful politician to accuse a religious group of bullying people through their lobby? Selectively choosing a religion who has faced this EXACT accusation from hitler?

Why did he say it?
Why did he oppose Iranian sanctions?
Why take a strike of the table?

Why does he single out Jews of all people?
How many times did Jews press him? You think he is bullied by Jews but not corn lobby? Why does he specify JEWISH lobby?

Why does he focus so much on negative Jewish stereotypes?

Odd and disgusting.....

[Row6]

Originally Posted by MichaelJoeWilliamson

Really? Remember this when you and Row accuse conservatives of racism or some such similar thing.

In any case, it is well documented that he has taken several anti-Israel positions. He more often than not takes those positions when given a chance. He seems to be more sympathetic to Hamas and Iran than he is Israel. His confirmation testimony not with standing, as it is clear he will say almost anything to get confirmed.

He has slandered Jews on more than one occasion and only provided a half heart'ed apology when it became clear it might cost him the nomination.

Need more?

I don't.

Please provide evidence. You haven't so far.

[mastoidbone]

Row---why a you so comfortable with a cabinet member who repeats nazi accusations about Jews?

[mastoidbone]

And let's talk about gays---so he denigrates Jews and gays--do you know any other groups who share this belief?
I do.
Indeed I do.

So did he apologize for saying it or believing it?
Ahhhh-he is sorry he said it---but heBELEIVES it.

And that is enough to not be in cabinet.

Imagine if a candidate for cabinet repeated steroetype about AAs--that they are criminal oriented or lazy---would he be appointed by Obama?

Why is he so often around people who denigrate Jews?
His pastor for 20 years---and obama loves him--until public exposure.

Now hagel---accusing Jews of OLDEST anti-Semitic accusations---things we heard 500 years ago in Spanish Inquisition---now spoken by SOD---you have NO issue with his gay or Jewish comments?
None?

[grayg8rstevo]

Originally Posted by Minister_of_Information

That's right, it has nothing to do with him being an incompetent boob who hates Israel.

always to the point. He is beyond incompetent, if his own words and actions have any meaning. I am independent. I hate incompetent republicans also.Kudos to my minister

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Originally Posted by mastoidbone

Row---why a you so comfortable with a cabinet member who repeats nazi accusations about Jews?

I think I know. Not becasue he is anti-semite. But becasue there is nothing that Obama can do that Row won't stoop to defend.

[g8rjd]

Originally Posted by Minister_of_Information

That's right, it has nothing to do with him being an incompetent boob who hates Israel.

Originally Posted by grayg8rstevo

always to the point. He is beyond incompetent, if his own words and actions have any meaning. I am independent. I hate incompetent republicans also.Kudos to my minister

Ah, yes gray...but I am a heterosexual man. And I very much enjoy boobs.

[mastoidbone]

Why was hagel in the extreme minority on labeling Iranian rep guard terrorists?
Why was he 1 of 2 senators to vote against Iranian sanctions?
Why is he soft on Iran but hard on Jewish Americans?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ominee-hagel-/

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Originally Posted by mastoidbone

Why was hagel in the extreme minority on labeling Iranian rep guard terrorists?
Why was he 1 of 2 senators to vote against Iranian sanctions?
Why is he soft on Iran but hard on Jewish Americans?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ominee-hagel-/

These are all examples that have been repeatedly given to show that Hagle is not a friend to Israel. Yet to Row, river and the like, they prove nothing. In their mind, they are not legitimate examples to show why he seems to have an deep anti-Semite point of view. Not sure why. Most liberals have either called conservatives racist, or strongly implied they were, on less proof.

[ATLitigator]

Originally Posted by Row6

Today's WaPo column:

"Chuck Hagel’s confirmation as secretary of defense ended as it began — with a smear.

“Senator Hagel has accused Israel of quote ‘playing games’ and committing, quote, ‘sickening slaughter,’ ” Sen. Roger Wicker (R-Miss.) said before Tuesday’s confirmation vote, which had been delayed 12 days by a Republican filibuster.

Minutes later, Jim Inhofe (Okla.), ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, repeated the allegation that Hagel had claimed “Israel committed ‘sickening slaughter.’ ”

There was something sickening about this, but it wasn’t Hagel’s quote. As Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.) pointed out, what the nominee had in fact said, during a Senate speech on the 2006 Lebanon war, was this: “The sickening slaughter on both sides must end.”"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...y.html?hpid=z2

This was part and parcel of Republican opposition which included US senators implying - with zero evidence - that Hagel was receiving money from the North Koreans and Iranians and suggesting that he belonged to a group called "Friends of Hamas" which didn't even exist. This was all because Hagel woke up in the middle of the last decade and acknowledged that Iraq had been a huge mistake, something that his neo-con republican allies from the past still can't face. Their time is past and their world view is as popular as "freedom fries" and "shock and awe". America has wisely moved on while they haven't.

did not Chuck Hagel say that both sides were committing "sickening slaughter"?

Is Israel not one of those two sides?

then Chuck Hagelo accused Israel of committing "sickening slaughter"

and Chuck Hagel accused the other side of committing "sickening slaughter"

it's called logic. you should try it sometime

[AmericaFirst]

Originally Posted by mastoidbone

My other issue---how can you nominate a guy to SOD who is against Iranian sanctions as well as a strike against Iran?

Appeaser?

Why signal to Iran that you are against a strike?
Why not be neutral on the subject or at least ambiguous?
Obama took strike of the table with nomination.
Iran 1 Obama 0

I think president should get who he wants--I would vote yes for him on policy prerogative---but no to an anti-Semite.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/19/us...QL33llrlWmvHBA

So, let me get this straight. Not only are you an Israel butt-kisser but you also believe a war that would make Iraq look like a day at the beach should be on the table? Do you have any idea how insane that thinking is? Would you be fighting this war yourself? I doubt it.

Second, calling AIPAC the "Jewish Lobby" is exactly what they are. Don't use the Star of David as your logo if you don't want to be labeled the Jewish Lobby.

Third, AIPAC and its members have committed espionage against the United States. I've posted the quote from their former president David Steiner in the 90s many times but here it is again.

"I got, besides the $3 billion, you know they're looking for the Jewish votes, and I'll tell him whatever he wants to hear.... Besides the $10 billion in loan guarantees which was a fabulous thing, $3 billion in foreign, in military aid, and I got almost a billion dollars in other goodies that people don't even know about.... I have friends on the Clinton campaign, close associates.... I've known Bill for seven, eight years from the National Governors Association. I know him on a personal basis.... One of my friends is Hillary Clinton's scheduler, one of my officer's daughters works there. We gave two employees from AIPAC leave of absence to work on the campaign. I mean, we have a dozen people in the campaign, in the headquarters, in Little Rock, and they're all going to get big jobs.... I also work with a think tank, the Washington Institute. I have Michael Mandelbaum and Martin Indyk being foreign policy advisers... Steve Spiegel.... We have Bill Clinton's ear. I talked to Bill Clinton. He's going to be very good for us.... A girl who worked for me at AIPAC stood up for them at their wedding. Hillary lived with her. I mean we have those relationships.... Susan Thomases, who's in there, worked with me on the Bradley campaign. We worked together for 13 years. She's in there with the family. They stay with her when they come to New York. One of my officers, Monte Friedkin, is one of the biggest fund-raisers for them. I mean, I have people like that all over the country.... He's said he's going to help us. He's got something in his heart for the Jews, he has Jewish friends.... Clinton is the best guy for us.... We're just negotiating. We're more interested right now in the secretary of state and the secretary of National Security Agency.... I've got a list. But I really can't go through it. I'm not allowed to talk about it.... We'll have access." - David Steiner


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Steiner_(AIPAC)


Are you ok with a lobby spewing BS like that to our politicians in order to get money for Israel?



Furthermore, let's talk about racism in Israel. The Institute for Middle East Understanding lists the many ways that Israel discriminates against Palestinians within their borders.


http://imeu.net/news/article0021536.shtml



Israel is a despicable nation.

[AmericaFirst]

Originally Posted by ATLitigator

did not Chuck Hagel say that both sides were committing "sickening slaughter"?

Is Israel not one of those two sides?

then Chuck Hagelo accused Israel of committing "sickening slaughter"

and Chuck Hagel accused the other side of committing "sickening slaughter"

it's called logic. you should try it sometime

Israel IS committing sickening slaughter by bulldozing Palestinian homes and building MORE ILLEGAL SETTLEMENTS. What part of this don't you get?

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/02...ast-jerusalem/

[Row6]

Originally Posted by mastoidbone

Is it anti-Semitic for a powerful politician to accuse a religious group of bullying people through their lobby? Selectively choosing a religion who has faced this EXACT accusation from hitler?

Why did he say it?
Why did he oppose Iranian sanctions?
Why take a strike of the table?

Why does he single out Jews of all people?
How many times did Jews press him? You think he is bullied by Jews but not corn lobby? Why does he specify JEWISH lobby?

Why does he focus so much on negative Jewish stereotypes?

Odd and disgusting.....

1 He apologized. He should have said the Israeli lobby which is powerful beyond any other lobby for a foreign country in America. He didn't say that either, but it is a fact. Oft times that lobby is in blind support of whoever is the Isreali president, and especially the conservatives like Netanyahu, even though the Israeli people are not so single minded.

2 If you don't think the "Israeli lobby" is powerful in Washington and includes many non-Israeli Jews you're dreaming. Pointing out that fact is no more being anti-semitic than Gen Petreaus's comments pointing out the increased danger American forces face due to our support for Isreal. That does not mean one does not also support Israel, but facing facts.

3 What other times has he "focus(ed) so much on negative Jewish stereotypes"? Please be specific.

[Row6]

Originally Posted by mastoidbone

Row---why a you so comfortable with a cabinet member who repeats nazi accusations about Jews?

What nazi accusations. Please be specific.

[Row6]

Originally Posted by mastoidbone

And let's talk about gays---so he denigrates Jews and gays--do you know any other groups who share this belief?
I do.
Indeed I do.

So did he apologize for saying it or believing it?
Ahhhh-he is sorry he said it---but heBELEIVES it.

And that is enough to not be in cabinet.

Imagine if a candidate for cabinet repeated steroetype about AAs--that they are criminal oriented or lazy---would he be appointed by Obama?

Why is he so often around people who denigrate Jews?
His pastor for 20 years---and obama loves him--until public exposure.

Now hagel---accusing Jews of OLDEST anti-Semitic accusations---things we heard 500 years ago in Spanish Inquisition---now spoken by SOD---you have NO issue with his gay or Jewish comments?
None?

He apologized for the gay comment which is also ancient history.

Besides for calling the Israeli Lobby the Jewish Lobby - which he has apologized for and which is used fairly commonly as a term in the Israeli press - what other "anti-semitic" comments has he made?

[AmericaFirst]

The irony of the neo-cons in this thread talking "anti-semitism" is the fact that any idiot can see that the neo-cons themselves have a deep-hatred of Muslims.

[Row6]

Originally Posted by MichaelJoeWilliamson

I think I know. Not becasue he is anti-semite. But becasue there is nothing that Obama can do that Row won't stoop to defend.

Put up or shut up. You come on this thread with nothing and yet keep talking. Aren't you even a little embarrassed?

[Row6]

Originally Posted by mastoidbone

Why was hagel in the extreme minority on labeling Iranian rep guard terrorists?
Why was he 1 of 2 senators to vote against Iranian sanctions?
Why is he soft on Iran but hard on Jewish Americans?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ominee-hagel-/

1 I suggest you read something about Hagel that isn't from a Republican press release. He is in favor of multi-lateral sanctions on Iran but was wary of the Bush administration using a senate resolution to start another war. Don't know where he would have gotten that idea.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...-iran/1823651/

2 When has Hagel ever been "hard on American Jews". what the hell have you been reading?

[Row6]

Originally Posted by MichaelJoeWilliamson

These are all examples that have been repeatedly given to show that Hagle is not a friend to Israel. Yet to Row, river and the like, they prove nothing. In their mind, they are not legitimate examples to show why he seems to have an deep anti-Semite point of view. Not sure why. Most liberals have either called conservatives racist, or strongly implied they were, on less proof.

Those aren't "examples" they are out of context talking points which show no trace of anti-semitism. Your standards of evidence are non-existent. Put up or shut up.

[ATLitigator]

Originally Posted by AmericaFirst

Israel IS committing sickening slaughter by bulldozing Palestinian homes and building MORE ILLEGAL SETTLEMENTS. What part of this don't you get?

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/02...ast-jerusalem/

try reading some time. Where did I say Israel wasnt doing those things. I simply pointed out that the OP and the OP's linked was full of S**T.

Chuck Hagel clearly accused Israel of sickening slaughter. Are you disputing this point?

if not, them move along