Can't Find Good Help

[HALLGATOR]

Originally Posted by Matthanuf06

I'm not going to pretend to know all the regs for each bit of aid, but food stamps for a single person is like $1250 gross a month or so.

Even is true I think you will find the amount of food stamps at that level for a single person is not going to be very much.

[G8trGr8t]

Originally Posted by Matthanuf06

Bad work ethic plus government handouts = not willing to work for 30k

this....he said they get plenty of qualified applicants but when they call them to go to work they are repeatedly told that they just needed to fill out application to keep their ue benefits. past time to cut unemployment back to 30 weeks.

what kind of benefits do people get? are you kidding me? unemployment, housing subsidies, food stamps, free phones, welfare, medicaid, wic

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/federa...enbenefits.htm

http://www.benefits.gov/benefits/bro...state/state/FL

http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?...istance/phprog

and before you start picking through the fine print about eleigibility let's get real about how much the applications are really verified and the honesty of many of the applicants.

[Matthanuf06]

Originally Posted by enviroGator

Off by a decimal place... more like $130/month.

I just looked, I was high but it's $1211 gross per month for a single person. For a family of 4 it's $2498 gross.

http://Www.fns.usda.gov/snap/applica...ligibility.htm

I have to website on my CPU and am posting on my phone so I apologize if the address isn't right

FYI I'm talking income requirements

[gator10010]

Originally Posted by HudsonGator

Read this thread again, find where I said $30K a year isn't good enough.

Give up?

So you are agreeing that $30k/year is a fair entry level wage for the labor market?

if so why aren't these jobs filled with 7.9% UE? Not to mention the unemployment rate is higher for young adults.

[enviroGator]

Originally Posted by Matthanuf06

I just looked, I was high but it's $1211 gross per month for a single person. For a family of 4 it's $2498 gross.

http://Www.fns.usda.gov/snap/applica...ligibility.htm

I have to website on my CPU and am posting on my phone so I apologize if the address isn't right

FYI I'm talking income requirements

Yeah, your earlier post made it sound like that was how much they were getting, not the eligibility basis.

[HudsonGator]

Originally Posted by Matthanuf06

I just looked, I was high but it's $1211 gross per month for a single person. For a family of 4 it's $2498 gross.

http://Www.fns.usda.gov/snap/applica...ligibility.htm

I have to website on my CPU and am posting on my phone so I apologize if the address isn't right

FYI I'm talking income requirements

$1,211 per month is the eligibility cut-off.

The maximum monthly allotment is $200 for a single person household.

[HudsonGator]

Originally Posted by gator10010

So you are agreeing that $30k/year is a fair entry level wage for the labor market?

if so why aren't these jobs filled with 7.9% UE? Not to mention the unemployment rate is higher for young adults.

What I think is irrelevant. If the OP is correct, the market would seem to indicate that it is not an attractive wage to the labor market.

[CHFG8R]

Originally Posted by G8trGr8t

Anectodal evidence but just a data point for conversation.

I had dinner over the weekend with a friend/business associate who owns a major site and roadway construction company in SW Florida. They offer $11.5 per hour, free healthcare (for employee), 2 weeks paid vacation, and profit sharing (average $4k per year for starters, fully vested at 5 years) for untrained, unskilled labor willing to do manual labor. Average around 5% per year raise as skills warrant. Guaranteed 50 hours a week so overtime so is there to be had. They cannot find anybody that they can verify through e-verify in this market willing to show up everyday on time and work for that. Skilled labor and operators make more.

What is wrong with this picture?

The benefits package (substantial) will not resonate with most workers in that price range. I work in a similar field. They are all about the bottom line at that level (i.e. "How much will I get this week?") Drop benis and raise the salary north of $15/Hour and you'll probably get more bites - and save money.

[CHFG8R]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

Yeah holy cow $12/hr?

Actually high for a laborer.

[G8trGr8t]

Originally Posted by HudsonGator

What I think is irrelevant. If the OP is correct, the market would seem to indicate that it is not an attractive wage to the labor market.

the point is that the market is being artificially influenced by gubmnt programs. if these same people had no benefits and had to choose between working for $30k per year or not eating, the market would supply plenty of labor.

right now, unemployment is another gubmnt inflated bubble, just like housing was and student loans/higher education costs are.

[CHFG8R]

These people (for the most part) don't care about profit sharing, free health insurance (I don't get that and I doubt many on this board do) and paid vacation. They want to know how much they'll have to spend at the bar on Friday (we pay on Tuesday as we were coming up short on Saturday's if you know what I mean).

If you keep the average laborer for more than 3 months you're doing good. Ultimately, you'll just need to hire and fire, hire and fire, hire and fire and take your 1 good guy out of 20. It is what it is.

Also, put ads on Craig's List. We get more traction there than anywhere else.

[G8trGr8t]

the bene's are there to try and attract people that want to stay and be a part of the company and not just a body looking for a paycheck. a company that actually cares that their employees are healthy and have some sort of a future retirement. sad to say that most younger generation do not appreciate the concept of an employer that cares about them. it is more like 1 in 50 that they get and keep but they do have a lot of people that have been there for 10, 15, 20+ years.

[CHFG8R]

Originally Posted by G8trGr8t

the bene's are there to try and attract people that want to stay and be a part of the company and not just a body looking for a paycheck. a company that actually cares that their employees are healthy and have some sort of a future retirement. sad to say that most younger generation do not appreciate the concept of an employer that cares about them. it is more like 1 in 50 that they get and keep but they do have a lot of people that have been there for 10, 15, 20+ years.

Just sayin'. Not jsut the age bracket, but the (forgive me) class of worker. Sounds horrible, but I'm afraid that it's just the way it is. We've tried everything; high wages, salary (paid even when we are slow), benefits. . . same old story. Child support catches up and they leave, no-call/no-shows (drunk), arrested, etc., etc., etc.

Wanting to attract quality people, care about their health, etc. sounds fine and dandy, but fact is that the labor pool you are drawing from (again, for the most part) doesn't value those things. At least that's what I've seen in my experience and we draw a lot of our guys from the same pool of labor.

[HALLGATOR]

Originally Posted by G8trGr8t

this....he said they get plenty of qualified applicants but when they call them to go to work they are repeatedly told that they just needed to fill out application to keep their ue benefits. past time to cut unemployment back to 30 weeks.

what kind of benefits do people get? are you kidding me? unemployment, housing subsidies, food stamps, free phones, welfare, medicaid, wic

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/federa...enbenefits.htm

http://www.benefits.gov/benefits/bro...state/state/FL

http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?...istance/phprog

and before you start picking through the fine print about eleigibility let's get real about how much the applications are really verified and the honesty of many of the applicants.

I'm not going to read through all of them but I still would be interested in some proof that these applicants are all gathering in bunches of government benefits and that is the reason they won't work? Just posting links to sites that talk about benefits really doesn't prove anything in my opinion.

My issue is not that benefits exist or that people use/abuse them but rather that they are so freely obtained that it must be the main reason the company can't get help.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by gator10010

What is wrong with $12/hr?

These positions sound like entry level positions for people willing to do manual labor with the high unemployment rate of young people, one would hope that $12/hr was better than just sitting at home.

I made $12.50/hr the summer before my senior year in high school with absolutely no real world experience. And that was 10 years ago. In Florida.

[wgbgator]

If minimum wage was tied to productivity increases, it would be something like $33/hr today. $12 hr isnt much, and some people are flipping out over a proposal of a national $9 hour (which is still lower than the minimum wage in WA). $12 is less than the minimum wage in Australia.

[G8trGr8t]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

I made $12.50/hr the summer before my senior year in high school with absolutely no real world experience. And that was 10 years ago. In Florida.

doing what???

working for family or family friend???

[orangeblueorangeblue]

No, a regular office job.

[G8trGr8t]

so they were paying a 16 year old kid with no real skill set $500 a week to do what? wow. hard to fathom when that is about what a semi-skilled receptionist is starting at today. are they still in business?

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Well I was 18.

And it wasn't full-time.

And I did a good job and got a raise after 6 months.

And they're still in business.