The Firearms Industry Boycott Grows.

[Minister_of_Information]

Originally Posted by HudsonGator

What a bunch of nonsense.

I realize those kinds of platitudes sell well among you Tea Party types, but they don't pass for intelligent argument in my world.

You mean that version of the world with a total gun ban.

[mdgator05]

Originally Posted by MichaelJoeWilliamson

Key quote;

That is nice. Of course, it is still down from the early 1990s. When was it that crime started to decline again?

And according to other measures, it has been declining since the 1970s. Truthfully, given Gallup's recent problem, I don't think I would accept any of their polling from the past few years (they have been consistently one of the worst pollsters in verifiable polling (election performance) and were the absolute worst this past year).

[mdgator05]

Originally Posted by MichaelJoeWilliamson

Actually it has been stable after a decline a few decades ago.

That is true. Of course, that decline happened to occur at exactly the same time the decline in crime started. Coincidence?

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Originally Posted by mdgator05

That is true. Of course, that decline happened to occur at exactly the same time the decline in crime started. Coincidence?

Of course, the decline in crime was at the same time that gun laws became a lot more liberal. Coincidence? I think not

[mdgator05]

Originally Posted by MichaelJoeWilliamson

Of course, the decline in crime was at the same time that gun laws became a lot more liberal. Coincidence? I think not

The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act was making gun laws much more liberal? Was it the assault weapons bans or increased restrictions on who could own a gun that you consider "more liberal?"

[HudsonGator]

Originally Posted by MichaelJoeWilliamson

Of course, the decline in crime was at the same time that gun laws became a lot more liberal. Coincidence? I think not

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by HudsonGator

So the Connecticut State Police are part of the anti-gun conspiracy?

http://www.greenwichtime.com/newtown...th-4220548.php

I see, since you are one of those people, it is impossible to have a rational discussion on this topic. At this point I think it would best if you put the tin foil back on your head and start scanning the horizon for black helicopters.

I'm not worried about black helicopters, you are the one putting words into my mouth trolling

[PIMking]

I'm not going to tell anyone that I have a gun. It is bad enough the government is trying to get kids to tell on their parents

[HudsonGator]

Originally Posted by PIMking

I'm not worried about black helicopters, you are the one putting words into my mouth trolling

On the contrary, I don't need to put any words in your mouth, you have done quite well showing the world you are one of these conspiracy people that tend to believe whatever they like regardless of the actual facts.

Here is what you said:

Originally Posted by PIMking

Except the "assault rifle" was in his car after the shooting right? So why do you think people continue to bring up conspiracy theories with this thing because even the government cant get the information out correctly. The reason is because with muddy waters they can push their political agenda across and restrict the freedoms of Americans even more for their safety.

"when a government doesn't fear the people its tyranny, when the government fears it's people it's freedom" Thomas Jefferson.

I have yet to see anything saying that an actual .223 was used except a few people that say that the wounds had to come from a .223 rifle, yet no .223 was found in the school, how could that be? it was in his car right? so he ran back outside put the rilfe (sic) in the trunk and then ran in and off'ed himself? lol liberal gun grabbing nonsense

And then you followed up with this little gem:

Originally Posted by PIMking

unlike you Im (sic) not trying to use a tragedy to press my political agenda. I believe these kids were killed by an idiot with a pistol. But unless they want to provide us with the actual assault rifle used (inside not his trunk) your basis is false and stupid

And here again are the actual facts, which, for whatever reason, you continue to deny:

Lt. J. Paul Vance, the face of an ongoing Connecticut State Police investigation into worst grade-school shooting in U.S. history, Thursday debunked media and Internet reports that Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza killed his victims with handguns and not the Bushmaster XM-15 E2S rifle that is now the focus of a proposed federal assault-weapons ban.

All 26 of Lanza's victims were shot with the .223-caliber semi-automatic rifle, said Vance, who bristled at claims to the contrary during an interview with Hearst Connecticut Newspapers.

"It's all these conspiracy theorists [he's talking to you] that are trying to mucky up the waters," said Vance, the longtime state police spokesman.

Multiple Second Amendment and gun owner websites have attempted to cast doubts on whether the Bushmaster XM-15, a type of AR-15 rifle that is currently legal, was used in the Dec. 14 carnage done by Lanza....

http://www.greenwichtime.com/newtown...th-4220548.php


If the tinfoil hat, black helicopter seeing shoe fits...

[wargunfan]

The Gallup organization reported that in 2011 gun ownership in the US was the highest in 18 years with a jump from 41% to 47% of adults owning guns in the last year. Democrats owning guns jumped from 30% to 40% of adults in the last two years. It would appear that Americans (especially Democrats) are not buying the idea that fewer guns equates to being safer.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/se...hest-1993.aspx

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by HudsonGator

On the contrary, I don't need to put any words in your mouth, you have done quite well showing the world you are one of these conspiracy people that tend to believe whatever they like regardless of the actual facts.

Here is what you said:

And then you followed up with this little gem:

And here again are the actual facts, which, for whatever reason, you continue to deny:

http://www.greenwichtime.com/newtown...th-4220548.php

If the tinfoil hat, black helicopter seeing shoe fits...

You're the first to go on the ignore list. Not gonna fall into your trap

[wargunfan]

Florida gun violence hits a record low. Concealed carry permits most in the nation. There may be no correlation between the two but the odds for the good guys keep getting better.
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/state/f...gun-permits-up

[Minister_of_Information]

Hmmm, fewer households report firearms ownership immediately after the AWB and subsequent political annihilation of the democratic Congress. So evidently 'Mericans will end a 50 year run of Congressional power in response to a gratuitous gun snatch, but they won't bother to actually buy the damn things (and be honest about it...). Of course, and I hate to disappoint our liberal friends, correlation is not causation even when you like the resulting narrative.

[HudsonGator]

Originally Posted by PIMking

You're the first to go on the ignore list. Not gonna fall into your trap

I find it interesting that you refuse to address the fact that you have repeatedly said it was a pistol and not an assault weapon that was used in the Newtown massacre, yet the Connecticut State Police have unequivocally stated that it was indeed an assault weapon.

So that begs the question, are the Connecticut State Police part of some vast, anti-gun conspiracy?

Oh well, if you have indeed "filtered" me, I should just thank you, I feel as though my IQ is decreased every time we have our little back and forths.

[gatorpa]

Originally Posted by HudsonGator

I didn't dodge it, it is a silly question not worthy of discussion.

I am fairly certain any knowledgeable person on the subject knows the difference.

Find something else to debate.

So you in your finite wisdow, sets the terms of what is worthy to debate and how to debate.

All I've seen you do is make arbitrary calims, not based in logic insult those who question and then run away.

Just a bunch of hot air you are.

[wargunfan]

The ignore feature is you friend.

[HudsonGator]

Originally Posted by gatorpa

So you in your finite wisdow, sets the terms of what is worthy to debate and how to debate.

All I've seen you do is make arbitrary calims, not based in logic insult those who question and then run away.

Just a bunch of hot air you are.

Do you honestly not know the difference between a pistol, otherwise known as a handgun (hint, hint), and a rifle?

[OB1]

Originally Posted by HudsonGator

Thank you, I feel as though my IQ is decreased every time we have our little back and forths.

Honestly, I can't see it decreasing too much, probably just feels that way!

Unfortunately, our country has become more dangerous to its people during my life. It is foolish to think the government can and will protect you from those with bad intentions or the desire to forcibly part you and belongings like you do. One day you may end up the victim of a senseless criminal act and will wish you could have defended yourself or your family, but instead you decided it was better to disarm everyone. Too bad the criminals don't think that way!

You have the ability to give up your right to bear arms, but you will find many more that will defend that right and no give it up as easy as you believe.

You should think about immigrating to France, you will find many like minded people there. Or perhaps one of the communist nations, as you really don't like people having any rights, and like being part of a nation of laws!

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

[HudsonGator]

Originally Posted by OB1

Honestly, I can't see it decreasing too much, probably just feels that way!

Unfortunately, our country has become more dangerous to its people during my life. It is foolish to think the government can and will protect you from those with bad intentions or the desire to forcibly part you and belongings like you do. One day you may end up the victim of a senseless criminal act and will wish you could have defended yourself or your family, but instead you decided it was better to disarm everyone. Too bad the criminals don't think that way!

You have the ability to give up your right to bear arms, but you will find many more that will defend that right and no give it up as easy as you believe.

You should think about immigrating to France, you will find many like minded people there. Or perhaps one of the communist nations, as you really don't like people having any rights, and like being part of a nation of laws!

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

And perhaps you should move to Yemen, there are lots of gun freaks in Yemen.

See how easy that is, not much of an argument of course, but easy nonetheless.

[gatorpa]

Originally Posted by HudsonGator

Do you honestly not know the difference between a pistol, otherwise known as a handgun (hint, hint), and a rifle?

Since the whole argument about "assault weapons" is due to the vast numbers that they can kill so quickly and easily, I fail to see the difference (since we are talking about easy murders) between a AR-15 or a Glock with a large clip(detachable magazine).

You made the distinction about "detachable magazine" making a weapon an "assault weapon", you have been called on that point by more than one and now you play stupid, perhaps you don't realize that a pistol with a large clip can kill large amounts quickly. So I guess really to you it's not about the number that can be killed, but the size of the barrel....perhaps there is some unconscious envy there?