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Old 02-23-2013, 11:41 AM   #1
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/billfrez...he-blame-game/

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According to Obama, the sequester would represent “a huge blow to middle-class families and our economy as a whole.” Obama’s White House has also referred to the sequester as “devastating,” saying its cuts would “imperil our economy, our national security (and) vital programs that middle class families depend on.”

Sounds frightening – but is it true? Of course not. According to The Wall Street Journal ”federal domestic discretionary spending soared by 84 percent with some agencies doubling and tripling their budgets” during Barack Obama’s first two years in office. In fact the sequester would scale back just one of every six dollars in discretionary spending increases since 2008 – hardly a “huge blow.” Also, discretionary spending in 2008 was already tremendously inflated – having increased by more than 60 percent over the previous eight years.

In other words this isn’t even really a cut – “devastating” or otherwise – it’s a modest growth rate reduction following years of unnecessary, embarrassing and unsustainable excesses.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin...ing-sequester/

One problem is rather than point this out, so-called fiscal conservative Boehner actually supports the idea that the cuts are harmful

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Where the sequester debate deviates from the norm is in its dramatis personae. Unlike prior spending debates, the sequester features Republicans attempting to shift the onus for cutting government onto Obama. U.S. Speaker John Boehner has repeatedly referenced “the president’s sequester” while decrying its “harmful cuts.”

What hypocrisy. Obama and Boehner both supported the sequester as an excuse for yet another unsustainable run-up of our nation’s credit limit – which exhausted its latest $2.1 trillion increase last December (after less than seventeen months).
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:46 AM   #2
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At least one Senator...edit...House member is honest. Again from Forbes

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“The debt ceiling deal in 2011 was agreed to by Republicans and Democrats, and regardless of who came up with the sequester, they all voted for it,” U.S. Rep. Justin Amash (R-Michigan) said recently. “So, you can’t vote for something and, with a straight face, go blame the other guy for its existence in law.”

Exactly. Boehner and Obama’s game of “pin the tail on the sequester” ignores not only their shared support for the measure – but also their shared responsibility in overstating its impact.

More to the point it highlights the extent to which leaders of both parties in Washington, D.C. are abandoning taxpayers in order to curry favor with the legacy media and special interest establishment – both of which are dead set against any reduction in the size and scope of government.
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:53 AM   #3
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At least one Senator is honest. Again from Forbes
Yeah it's funny to watch both sides try to fear monger over something they all agreed to.

One point though, the problem with the discretionary cuts is that the cuts won't be on the "freeloaders". Food stamps, UI, welfare etc won't be cut, departments will simply cut jobs because it's the quickest way to get level. It won't really help the underlying problem of government dependency and will just raise unemployment, UI claims etc. Might cut a bit of fat out of some government departments though.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:06 PM   #4
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I'm not happy with the Republicans myself, but I'm especially sick and tired of Obama's constant fear-mongering, lies, and dis-information, and a LMSM that just propagates his lies.
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Old 02-23-2013, 01:28 PM   #5
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So why is none of this in the MSM?

All I see is Obama and a bunch of union members and civil servants acting like half the GOV will close.

What a bunch of CRAP.
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So why is none of this in the MSM?

All I see is Obama and a bunch of union members and civil servants acting like half the GOV will close.

What a bunch of CRAP.
I blame the GOP as much as I blame Democrats and MSM.
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I blame the GOP as much as I blame Democrats and MSM.
Agree they are all together (for the most part) with the "sky is falling" stichk, never let a crisis go to waste. Lemmings we are, one and all. Liars and self-absorbed scumbags are they.
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The most upset will be the government employees if they find out their upcoming 20% pay cuts really won't do anything to help the situation.
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While I agree that the chart shows how much foolishness there is in the sequestration fear-mongering, most of the cuts are to non-entitlement programs. So yes, there are going to be consequences to their inactions, just not as much as the real spinners are throwing out.

Sequestration wasn't supposed to be implemented. It was a poison pill designed to get politicians to act stately. They were modelling it after the base closure commission, which gave them political cover. Unfortunately it wasn't a bunch of career military people telling them what it takes to resolve future conflicts but a bunch of foxes who don't trust each other being in charge of the henhouse.

What you are seeing right now is just a bunch of lawyers acting like lawyers. They all know what they have to do, they just want the other side to admit it first and get all of the blame. That way when bullets start flying they can direct the mob to the evil persons who caused the upheaval.
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The most upset will be the government employees if they find out their upcoming 20% pay cuts really won't do anything to help the situation.
its not a real 20% pay cut, only 20% for a maximum of 22 weeks. I doubt i'll see any real cut because the actual furlough wont happen until late april, almost 2 months after sequestration goes into effect so odds are they'll kick the can down the road before then.
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“The good news is, the world doesn’t end March 2. The bad news is, the world doesn’t end March 2,” said Emily Holubowich, a Washington health-care lobbyist who leads a coalition of 3,000 nonprofit groups fighting the cuts. “The worst-case scenario for us is the sequester hits and nothing bad really happens. And Republicans say: See, that wasn’t so bad.”

Adding to the liberal angst is concern that the scale of the cuts may be overstated, at least in the short term. While the sequester orders the White House to withdraw $85 billion in spending authority from affected agencies in the fiscal year that ends in September, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office predicts that agencies will reduce actual spending by only about $44 billion, with the remaining cuts carried over into future years.

Compared with total 2013 discretionary spending, that’s a cut of less than 4 percent.
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Pubs will cave I am afraid.....
It is all about the spin right now. If the tea leaves say that they are safe, then full steam ahead. But if the spinners on the left, including the media, get the general population to believe it's the Pubs who are to blame then yes, they are going to cave.

Unless you think it is some elaborate ruse on the American public and then we are screwed either which way.
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The most upset will be the government employees if they find out their upcoming 20% pay cuts really won't do anything to help the situation.
I can attest to that!
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Old 02-25-2013, 08:21 AM   #15
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They will cave. All you see on the news these days, are sob stories of people that will be affected by these heinous cuts of govt spending. It is enough to make you sick, and sad at the same time, and if this sequestration circus doesn't open your eyes to the state of American decline, nothing will.
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The GOP will cave and Obama will be protected by the media as taxes go up and spending goes up with no releif in sight.
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Obama was for the cuts before he was against them.
But he convinced the public they were delusional too.
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Pubs will cave I am afraid.....


The establishment pubs will, but they're basically the leaders of the Right, so yes, the pubs will most likely cave again.

The establishment pubs are the ones who are more worried for their reps in Washington and how they look to the LMSM than they are about the real problems with this country, like standing up the pseudo-communist running our country into the dirt.
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