Tebow cancels speaking engagement at church

[ufbeta]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Not really, it's actually a state matter. But on the other hand it's not like the constitution has not been hijacked before. I do understand the desire for some to jam their views down everybody's throats through the courts. I really do

But it's okay for the courts to "jam your views" down everybody's throat by only allowing it between a man and a women ?

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by ufbeta

But it's okay for the courts to "jam your views" down everybody's throat by only allowing it between a man and a women ?

Sorry but that has been how marriage is been defined throughout the history of this country. The constitution is silent on the matter so where the it is silent its left to the states and the people. It has no business if the SCOTUS so therefore it's not forcing views on anyone.

[ufbeta]

How do two women/men being able to have the same ability to take a tax deduction, visit loved ones in the hospital, adopt as easily, etc, force anything on you?

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by ufbeta

How do two women/men being able to have the same ability to take a tax deduction, visit loved ones in the hospital, adopt as easily, etc, force anything on you?

Again, thats for the states to decide

[ArtVandelay]

Originally Posted by gymgator

Tebow has a chance to NOT be a person that excludes others, but leads all. It was a smart move.

This is my thought, but his religious beliefs don't support that, so I think this was more of a PR move. I'm not sure Tebow would ever really answer a question about whether or not he agrees with the Pastor. That is a part of Tebow that I think might be a little disingenuous.

I personally don't like when Tebow preaches and uses any moment to talk about his religion/faith/god/Christ on a national stage, but I understand the reason that he does because of the wide reaching platform.

I wonder how some of you would react if you found out that someone you respect/admire/follow was gay. Would you treat them differently? Would you still respect them in the same way?

How about the same situation, but now you found out they cheated on their spouse or was involved in major fraud or killed someone?

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by ArtVandelay

This is my thought, but his religious beliefs don't support that, so I think this was more of a PR move. I'm not sure Tebow would ever really answer a question about whether or not he agrees with the Pastor. That is a part of Tebow that I think might be a little disingenuous.

I personally don't like when Tebow preaches and uses any moment to talk about his religion/faith/god/Christ on a national stage, but I understand the reason that he does because of the wide reaching platform.

I wonder how some of you would react if you found out that someone you respect/admire/follow was gay. Would you treat them differently? Would you still respect them in the same way?

How about the same situation, but now you found out they cheated on their spouse or was involved in major fraud or killed someone?

I don't know. All Christians do not feel the same as Jeffress does about gays, Muslims, Mormons, Jews ....

[fairfaxgator]

Views or not, you have to be living under a rock if you think this was not also a business decision...hence deciding nearly 2 months before the appearance...

Tebow is a brand...and that my friends is capitalism

[reformedgator]

Originally Posted by ArtVandelay

This is my thought, but his religious beliefs don't support that, so I think this was more of a PR move. I'm not sure Tebow would ever really answer a question about whether or not he agrees with the Pastor. That is a part of Tebow that I think might be a little disingenuous.

I personally don't like when Tebow preaches and uses any moment to talk about his religion/faith/god/Christ on a national stage, but I understand the reason that he does because of the wide reaching platform.

I wonder how some of you would react if you found out that someone you respect/admire/follow was gay. Would you treat them differently? Would you still respect them in the same way?

How about the same situation, but now you found out they cheated on their spouse or was involved in major fraud or killed someone?

First, I don't think it's fair to judge Tim based on what you think his motives are. You hear enough of that from our rivals who mock him because he's an easy target & he's handed them their lunch on many occasions.
It's not surprising you that hate hearing the Gospel-it's an offensive message because it exposes our pride & sin. Who wants to hear that, especially when at our inner core we know it's true.
Last it's only natural to be disappointed when someone you respect/admire/follow has
transgressed in the manner you mentioned. You will lose respect, but if it's someone you know personally, you come along side them, don't abandon them & help them find their way back. You're honest with them, not condoning or excusing their behavior, but letting them know there is forgiveness & hope. Although we don't want to admit it, none of us are immune to "our dark stranger".

[ArtVandelay]

Originally Posted by reformedgator

First, I don't think it's fair to judge Tim based on what you think his motives are. You hear enough of that from our rivals who mock him because he's an easy target & he's handed them their lunch on many occasions.
It's not surprising you that hate hearing the Gospel-it's an offensive message because it exposes our pride & sin. Who wants to hear that, especially when at our inner core we know it's true.
Last it's only natural to be disappointed when someone you respect/admire/follow has
transgressed in the manner you mentioned. You will lose respect, but if it's someone you know personally, you come along side them, don't abandon them & help them find their way back. You're honest with them, not condoning or excusing their behavior, but letting them know there is forgiveness & hope. Although we don't want to admit it, none of us are immune to "our dark stranger".

So you don't think its fair that I judge Tim based on not knowing exactly (i gave opinions) but its okay for them to judge an entire sector (gays) based on their activities without knowing any of them???

I am not worried in the least bit about my pride & sin. I try to live my life according to what I believe to be right and wrong because that is how I was brought up. Not because of any higher power. I sin all the time (according to what you are talking about), but I also do a whole lot of good. At the end of the day, I can look myself in the mirror and be happy.

Transgressed and find their way back??? If they turn out to be gay? How will you help them find their way back? What do you have to forgive them for?

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by fairfaxgator

Views or not, you have to be living under a rock if you think this was not also a business decision...hence deciding nearly 2 months before the appearance...

Tebow is a brand...and that my friends is capitalism

You are more realistic on this than most others on the left. All things aside he is basically looking for a job and can't afford to get roasted in the media.

[reformedgator]

Originally Posted by ArtVandelay

So you don't think its fair that I judge Tim based on not knowing exactly (i gave opinions) but its okay for them to judge an entire sector (gays) based on their activities without knowing any of them???

I am not worried in the least bit about my pride & sin. I try to live my life according to what I believe to be right and wrong because that is how I was brought up. Not because of any higher power. I sin all the time (according to what you are talking about), but I also do a whole lot of good. At the end of the day, I can look myself in the mirror and be happy.

Transgressed and find their way back??? If they turn out to be gay? How will you help them find their way back? What do you have to forgive them for?

I was questioning the fairness of judging someone's motives not their behavior or actions.
Who said anything about me forgiving anyone for the murder, fraud or sexual behavior that you gave as an example. I gave my opinion of what I hope I would do for someone I respected. Apparently you didn't like my answer.

[David Shepherd]

In a statement to the Florida Baptist Witness, Brunson said the media attacks on Jeffress, the church and Tebow are without merit. "Clearly there is a bias in this country when it comes to evangelical Christianity," he said.

Further, Tebow's home church and First Baptist Dallas share the same beliefs, Brunson said.

"There would not be a wisp of difference between the theology of First Baptist Church Dallas and First Baptist Church Jacksonville," Brunson said. "First Baptist Church Jacksonville holds to the inerrant, authoritative Word of God. We hold to the traditional historic doctrines of the faith.

"We believe in marriage between one man and one woman just as we see in Genesis, reiterated in the New Testament and what every culture for 8,000 years of recorded history has demonstrated," Brunson said. "While holding up the standard of God's Word, we love all people because God in Christ has loved us. The forgiveness of God in Christ is available to all."

Brunson asked for prayer for the 25-year-old athlete who slips in and out of church whenever he's at home in Jacksonville.


http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=39754

[msa3]

Has Tebow ever said anything about gay rights? or about other religions and their followers' prospects in the afterlife?

I know he said he was a strict creationist during an SI interview a while back. Based on his Super Bowl commercial, I know he's opposed to abortions. But in terms of other hot-button religious-political issues, I don't know where he stands. Is he in favor of prayer in schools? Making birth control available in them? Does he share Jeffress belief about Jews, Muslim or Mormons? Or Hindus or Buddhists, for that matter. I can guess, but I'm wondering whether he's ever gone public with any of those issues. For someone who has been in the public eye for so long, TT has said very little on those topics. I'd be curious as to see what he thinks about them.

[ArtVandelay]

Originally Posted by reformedgator

I was questioning the fairness of judging someone's motives not their behavior or actions.
Who said anything about me forgiving anyone for the murder, fraud or sexual behavior that you gave as an example. I gave my opinion of what I hope I would do for someone I respected. Apparently you didn't like my answer.

Nice sidestep. You said something about people transgressing helping them find their way back. I am curious how this would apply if they turned out to be gay...

How will you help them find their way back? What do you have to forgive them for?

[northgagator]

One group of people do not like Tebow because he is openly living as Christian and he openly expresses his faith in God and Jesus.

Another group of people do not like Tebow because he was schedule to speak at a venue that has an anti gay position.

Another group of people do not like Tebow because financial considerations may of been behind his decision to withdraw from that speaking event.

Question: Is it wrong if Tebow privately is not for gay rights as long as he does not stand in the way for it?

Question: Is this a nation that allows freedom of opinion, of thought, freedom of religion?

Question: would the anti Tebow camp be justified in discriminating if they put enough pressure to keep him out of the NFL because of his Christian beliefs?

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by northgagator

One group of people do not like Tebow because he is openly living as Christian and he openly expresses his faith in God and Jesus.

Another group of people do not like Tebow because he was schedule to speak at a venue that has an anti gay position.

Another group of people do not like Tebow because financial considerations may of been behind his decision to withdraw from that speaking event.

Question: Is it wrong if Tebow privately is not for gay rights as long as he does not stand in the way for it? [Of course not. In fact, in theory, he could not only stand against it, but should be able to actively oppose the push to make homosexuality mainstream, and still be "right"].

Question: Is this a nation that allows freedom of opinion, of thought, freedom of religion? [Not anymore if you are a public figure, and dare take a position against homosexuality. Mormons and Jews, not so much.]

Question: would the anti Tebow camp be justified in discriminating if they put enough pressure to keep him out of the NFL because of his Christian beliefs? [There are multiple, powerful politically correct forces that would like to shut Tim up, and get rid of him.]

North, I played.

Next.

[rivergator]

easy questions. which ones were you unsure of?

Originally Posted by northgagator

Question: Is it wrong if Tebow privately is not for gay rights as long as he does not stand in the way for it? No.

Question: Is this a nation that allows freedom of opinion, of thought, freedom of religion? Yes.

Question: would the anti Tebow camp be justified in discriminating if they put enough pressure to keep him out of the NFL because of his Christian beliefs? Don't be ridiculous.

[fairfaxgator]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

What I'm saying is the guy probably has enough on his plate right now that it might not be in his best interest for the media to hate on him more than they already do. I believe he might be concerned about getting a job right now.

Dont know what Jewish or Catholic NFL owners would have done if Tim had actually spoken at this church...sure his speech would have been his typical uplifting speech...

The issue is we dont know what Tim REALLY believes in...but I have a guess on gay marriage and abortion...if he believes what is taught or spoken at FBC Dallas and FBC Jax about Catholics, Jews, Mormons, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims...that may be more of the PR nightmare for Tebow, his brand/image, his family, etc...

He is now opened the door for these questions to be asked...

[Lawdog88]

And in fact, although I thought it was a missed opportunity for Tim, perhaps he needed a little time for his theology to catch up to this particular challenge. If his is pressed on these kinds of issues again, as suggested - since he seems to have been anointed by the sports media as the spokesperson for the Christian faith - we will see if he can weave his way through this prickly path while remaining true to the core of his faith.

I think he can.

[David Shepherd]

Question: Is this a nation that allows freedom of opinion, of thought, freedom of religion?

It is allowed, but be prepared to be dragged through the slime and the mud if you do not choose the PC way.