New Pope Francis I of the Roman Catholic Church is Cardinal Bergoglio of Argentina

[MichiGator2002]

I don't keep my copy of the CIC on me, but I have no doubt that there are provisions dealing with moral qualification to participate in the conclave, but I am guessing that they look a lot like what it takes to morally participate in the world at large. That is, we deal with our sins sacramentally, and our penance, and the Church doesn't answer to those who despise it anyway and very possibly would have had their been no scandal at all as to what any given member of the clergy owes his God in gratitude for his renewal in forgiveness through Christ. I get annoyed enough when Catholics engage in bishop bashing and really just doctrine bashing the Church, but non-Catholics opining on which individual is or isn't qualified to elect an office they openly denounce anyway is just a complete joke.

[oragator1]

Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

To be blunt, whether you are a lay Catholic, and especially if you are a non-Catholic, it is not your business what process or review is involved in a cardinal participating in the conclave. It is governed by canon law, not by "armchair commentators in America's casual observer opinion" law.

So now the argument is that I don't have the right to an opinion? Guess you gave up defending your prior posts.
If kids are abused systemically (especially those in the US) and those responsible for allowing it to happen still hold leadership power within that organization it's everyone's business for a while host of reasons. I honestly can't see how it can be argued otherwise, religious group or not. It doesn't matter what it's governed by, how historical, traditional or religious it is if it allows evil to flourish, and the same people that at a minimum allowed evil to flourish are choosing one of the 2 or 3 most important people on the planet, everyone has the right to an opinion.

[MichiGator2002]

You have the right to an opinion. Doesn't mean it is a valid opinion or a qualified opinion when it is clearly coming from willful indifference (and more likely genuine hostility) to the Church, its mission, its procedures, etc.

[dangolegators]

Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

You have the right to an opinion. Doesn't mean it is a valid opinion or a qualified opinion when it is clearly coming from willful indifference (and more likely genuine hostility) to the Church, its mission, its procedures, etc.

As opposed to your opinion being valid because you are such an unbiased observer of the church.

[rivergator]

I don't know. The idea that we're not supposed to talk about groups that we're not a part of seems counter to Too Hot.

[dangolegators]

I for one, don't care who the next pope is, as long as he's not a child molester or someone who covered up for child molesters.

[oragator1]

Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

You have the right to an opinion. Doesn't mean it is a valid opinion or a qualified opinion when it is clearly coming from willful indifference (and more likely genuine hostility) to the Church, its mission, its procedures, etc.

So without even knowing my background, your strategy is to try and invalidate the arguer and not the argument based on assumptions about me?

Meantime, there still hasn't been an actual defense for the basic questions I have asked. Probably because no actually believes that Mahony and the others should have any power over any decision affecting a billion people, so attacking the messenger is the easier path.

By the way, the only canon I know of that addresses the moral piece is here:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P1D.HTM

1/ outstanding in solid faith, good morals, piety, zeal for souls, wisdom, prudence, and human virtues, and endowed with other qualities which make him suitable to fulfill the office in question;

2/ of good reputation;

[Gatormb]

Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

As for the 19%, maybe it looks so low because the wiser majority of Catholics know the scandal doesn't define the Church and ultimately can't be reasonably argued as its biggest priority in its worldwide mission these several years after the worst of it.

Not so fast my friend.

When Cardinal Keith O’Brien handed in his resignation as archbishop of Scotland to Pope Benedict XVI ahead of his 75th birthday on March 17 last year, he likely had no idea how relevant it would become in the history of the Catholic Church. The resignation was made nunc pro tunc or “now for later”—to be dealt with when the pope had time for such matters. But Pope Benedict, who is stepping down from his papacy on February 28, only found time to approve O’Brien’s resignation last Friday. The resignation, and the presumed assumption that O’Brien will not participate in the conclave to elect the next pope, is just the latest in an avalanche of sleazy scandals to rock the Vatican since the pope tendered his resignation on February 11. And, given the speed at which the Vatican’s skeletons are surfacing, O’Brien’s resignation has left many wondering how many cardinals will be left by the time the conclave begins.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ho-s-next.html

[Gatormb]

O’Brien’s resignation has left many wondering how many cardinals will be left by the time the conclave begins.

The priests’ complaints supposedly date back to the 1980s, when O’Brien was effectively shepherding the young seminarians toward ordination and the clerical life. Each of the complaints sounds uncomfortably familiar. The priests all describe a situation in which they looked to O’Brien for guidance as their trusted bishop and how he often invited them to his residence for evening prayers. In one case, after O’Brien had become archbishop of St. Andrews and Edinburgh, a priest was invited to spend a week at his residence. According to the Guardian, the priest in question described dealing with the archbishop’s “unwanted behavior” to the best of his ability, but because he was essentially dealing with his superior, he felt pressured to engage in acts that made him very uncomfortable.

The news about O’Brien’s alleged double life broke over the weekend with the English press. His resignation as archbishop Monday morning would not have prohibited him from participating in the conclave since he is still under 80 years old, but he made it clear he would not be coming in order to avoid becoming the “focus of the conclave.

[MastaG8r]

Selection conclave will go into session on Tuesday morning, just announced...

[HudsonGator]

Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

To be blunt, whether you are a lay Catholic, and especially if you are a non-Catholic, it is not your business what process or review is involved in a cardinal participating in the conclave. It is governed by canon law, not by "armchair commentators in America's casual observer opinion" law.

Well said. On this issue we are in 100% agreement.

[cocodrilo]

Originally Posted by Gatormb

O’Brien’s resignation has left many wondering how many cardinals will be left by the time the conclave begins.

Cardinal sins are the worst kind.

[RayGator]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

Selection conclave will go into session on Tuesday morning, just announced...

FNC also has announced that all 115 Cardinals are now in Rome.

It will take 2/3 or 77 Cardinals to select a new Pope.

There can only be 4 elections per day. The elections are done in secret. The ballots are all placed in a Chalice on the Altar.

There is no early voting.

There is no absentee voting.

[DeanMeadGator]

Originally Posted by GatrHeel

Can't say it surprises me that we're now debating the proper usage of "who" versus "whom". We really do like to argue about anything here.

Or should it be "use"?

Crap.

Whom thinks it crap?

[DeanMeadGator]

Originally Posted by dangolegators

I for one, don't care who the next pope is, as long as he's not a child molester or someone who covered up for child molesters.

I pray for a holy man who can and will restore the faith in the Church, and believes that tending the flock is more important than defending the institution.

[MastaG8r]

Gotta love the colors on those Swiss Guard uni's. Go Gators!

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by RayGator

FNC also has announced that all 115 Cardinals are now in Rome.

It will take 2/3 or 77 Cardinals to select a new Pope.

There can only be 4 elections per day. The elections are done in secret. The ballots are all placed in a Chalice on the Altar.

Do they have to show voter ID ?

[RayGator]

Don't think so. Lightning might strike someone if they try and sneak in.

And there is no early voting or absentee voting.

[RayGator]

Sunday 3.10.2013 Tampa Tribune
Michelle Bearden

The Roman Catholic Faithful Prescribe Traits Needed Of The Next Pope

>> With the historic resignation of Pope Benedict XVI, many of the Roman Catholic faithful are using this lame-duck period to talk about their church's pressing needs and the type of man who could best address them. <<

http://www2.tbo.com/lifestyles/faith...ope-ar-654395/

Some of the changes many would like to see:

Restore Vatican II principles.
Social-media savvy.
Reduce bureauccy.
Married Priests.
Anyone but a European.
Interfaith dialogue.
Cleanup the Curia.
Women clergy.
Good communicator and listener.
Speak multiple languages.
Deal openly with sex-abuse scandal.
Diplomatic.

The above items many Roman Catholics thought were needed in their Church were posted in the Tampa Tribune article that I have. But I did not see them in the link.

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by RayGator

Some of the changes many would like to see: ...

I wish they'd change the words of the Creed and the rest of the Mass back to what it was before. I find those new changes to be pointless and it's annoying to have to read along from the missalette when I used to have the whole thing memorized.