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bakaduin · 02-19-2013, 11:16 PM

I know that we won't but an honest question is if you were coach would you put Kenny on the bench for the last possession in a close game? I don't think I can count on one hand the number of close games where Kenny has just jacked up a three out of the flow of the offense when we need a basket to tie/win. Butler, BYU, Louisville, and tonight all fit that and I am sure there are more.

Billy D is a hell of a coach and I don't put this loss on one play. Poor FT shooting, poor 3 pt shooting all game long, and some poor refs cost us the game. That being said I strongly believe our chance to win close games goes up quite a bit with Kenny on the bench. I can't believe that Billy D's game plan was drawn up for a quick awkward 3 from Kenny.

orangebluegator · 02-19-2013, 11:21 PM

KB has at least 2 or 3 random, ill-advised deep threes per game. On good days, a few will go in. Days like today...it comes at the end of the game and probably cost us the game. I know he gets the green light from Billy D, but KB has to stay within the flow of the game.

We did not need a 3.

bakaduin · 02-19-2013, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by orangebluegator

KB has at least 2 or 3 random, ill-advised deep threes per game. On good days, a few will go in. Days like today...it comes at the end of the game and probably cost us the game. I know he gets the green light from Billy D, but KB has to stay within the flow of the game.

We did not need a 3.

IMO the in the course of the entire game you take those 2-3 random shots. You just can't have that kind of shot at the end of a game when you need the shot to win. I'd love someone to check it out but my memory says Kenny has been a black hole on offense on the last possession when we need a basket to win or tie. He gets the ball and immediately jacks up a contested 3.

ArtVandelay · 02-19-2013, 11:27 PM

I'd love to know if that was the designed play. It seems for as long as I can remember that any last second shot for the half/game is dribble around and then launch a 3. That was a terrible shot. Wilbekin had a really bad shot at the end of the game. If these are the calls that Donovan is making, he needs to go back to the drawing board. Wilbekin should have drove the lane and dished.

gatorr4life · 02-19-2013, 11:31 PM

Yes, let's bench one of our best player in the final minutes of a big game. Genius, absolute genius....

gtr2x · 02-19-2013, 11:32 PM

Considering KB is a senior leader and one of the all time leading scorers, I cant think of a better way to kill team morale than benching him, so no, hell no, Seems like the same late game MO we had with Walker so maybe that's the play call

bakaduin · 02-19-2013, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by gatorr4life

Yes, let's bench one of our best player in the final minutes of a big game. Genius, absolute genius....

Whose saying minutes? I'm talking final possession.

Would we have had a better shot at winning the game if our last possession was Wilbekin, Frazier, Rosario, Murphy, and Young?

jcp · 02-19-2013, 11:34 PM

No.

Next!

Noahtogo24 · 02-19-2013, 11:36 PM

Frazier should have been in there at the end. I would have went with this at the end:

Wilby
KB
Frazier
Murphy
Rosario or Young

I swear, it seems like every loss the past three seasons has been the same way. Missing free throws, jacking up threes, refs stinking up the joint.

**hgators** · 02-19-2013, 11:37 PM

Are you freaking serious. Without his drive, FT's and hustle there's not a last, albeit poor, shot to take.

bakaduin · 02-19-2013, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gtr2x

Considering KB is a senior leader and one of the all time leading scorers, I cant think of a better way to kill team morale than benching him, so no, hell no, Seems like the same late game MO we had with Walker so maybe that's the play call

You are absolutely right from a morale standpoint you have to have Kenny out there. I just wish he would reign himself in at the end of games.

bullish · 02-19-2013, 11:51 PM

Kenny has a great handle, drives unbelievably through traffic and gets rebs and steals. His shooting has always been streaky. His free throw shooting is normally great. All is all, a damn fine player. The streaky shooting is his achilles heal.

number1 · 02-19-2013, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gtr2x

Considering KB is a senior leader and one of the all time leading scorers, I cant think of a better way to kill team morale than benching him, so no, hell no, Seems like the same late game MO we had with Walker so maybe that's the play call

Everytime his name comes up, I always think back to that Butler game 2 years ago.

BengermanV · 02-19-2013, 11:55 PM

I'm sort of baffled by the situation, actually. I think Kenny Boynton is a terrific defender, teammate, and leader of this basketball team. But every time the clock gets under a minute (in either half), it's like he throws ALL of that out the window. Why? I have no idea.

I do think that benching him for a game wouldn't be the worst idea. Better yet, I'd love Billy to tell him that just for one game, he can't shoot any threes unless he is wide open. He is taking the green light for granted, and ending way to many possessions prematurely because he has unwarranted confidence in his shot (he isn't a great shooter) when he should be either passing the ball or taking it to the hoop. Because one thing I've learned about KB this year is had has a lightning quick first step and he almost never uses it to his advantage.

FWIW, I'd much rather have either Rosario, Frazier, or Murph taking that last shot. All three are better shooters than Boynton.

tommyuf21 · 02-19-2013, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gtr2x

Considering KB is a senior leader and one of the all time leading scorers, I cant think of a better way to kill team morale than benching him, so no, hell no, Seems like the same late game MO we had with Walker so maybe that's the play call

This is the team we have, we win or lose with them.

Jonas · 02-20-2013, 12:00 AM

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I'm sort of baffled by the situation, actually. I think Kenny Boynton is a terrific defender, teammate, and leader of this basketball team. But every time the clock gets under a minute (in either half), it's like he throws ALL of that out the window. Why? I have no idea.

I agree with this. Erv did the same thing. I love them both, but they would make bad decisions in the final possession in almost all of our close losses. They are trying to play hero. It really does feel like they are ignoring Billy there. I honestly agree that we should try benching him. I love KB, but like you said, he just throws it all out the window in those situations.

mac4lyfe · 02-20-2013, 12:03 AM

He took another bad shot with about a minute to go tonight too didn't he?

I don't understand why BD doesn't tell Kenny that he must drive to the basket or be benched at the end of these games. Him or Rosario should be commanded to drive to the hole and force the refs to make a call or kick it out. We should never shoot a 3 down 1 at the end of a game. Even if we're wide open. It's a low percentage shot. Drive and force a whistle.

That's me. I think BD rather shoot the jumpshot which is why we always have dating back a decade ago. These guys are shooting these shots because BD wants those shots. If he wanted them to drive they would drive. BD is smarter than me so it is what it is but it sure makes me question it.

diamondted13 · 02-20-2013, 12:04 AM

I love the other things he brings to the table, but he's the absolute last one I want with the ball in his hands in a one possession game with under a minute left. He knows one thing, and that's to chuck up a long 3 ball when the situation rarely calls for one. This includes all end of half situations. He's played too many games to keep doing stuff freshmen do. Why he has so much confidence in that shaky jumper when he's logged 36 minutes and has dead legs I will never know.

BLING · 02-20-2013, 12:07 AM

No, but you need to coach him that when you are down 1, you don't NEED to take a 3. I don't like the way we do that at the end of halves either, just run down the clock and hoist a 3. I think that whole deal has been a bit of a bad habit, which we also apply in the last 2-3 minutes of close games.

mac4lyfe · 02-20-2013, 12:16 AM

I'm totally convinced that these are the shots BD wants at the end of the game. No other explanation for Parsons, Calathes, Warner, Walker, Boynton, Beal, Taurean, Roberson, Matt Walsh, Dupay, Brett Nelson etc., etc., etc... all taking last second jumpshots and nobody ever driving to the hole or passing down low to a big.

Same unimaginative play calling to end halves/ games for a decade. It is very difficult for me to remember (my memory is poor) us battling back to win close games? We either blow teams out or get big leads and lose down the stretch. Unreal really.

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I agree with this. Erv did the same thing. I love them both, but they would make bad decisions in the final possession in almost all of our close losses. They are trying to play hero. It really does feel like they are ignoring Billy there. I honestly agree that we should try benching him. I love KB, but like you said, he just throws it all out the window in those situations.