02-18-2013, 09:33 AM
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If the white male first apologizes for being a white male then he may have a shot
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02-18-2013, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by gator996
Really?
Who was the last president that ran on no platform at all?
Making good on your campaign promises is "giving stuff" to the people that voted for you...
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Who said "no platform at all"? It wasn't me.
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02-18-2013, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by wgbgator
Ok, Dave. I doubt you could be elected as dog catcher without promising something to someone once elected. But maybe somewhere someone was elected by promising not to do anything for anyone. "If elected, your life will be the exact same, maybe even worse." Inspiring rhetoric.  |
Not a campaign event, but just when is a first-term candidate NOT campaigning?
"Ask not what your country can do for you..."
Doesn't sound like a promise to pay-off to me...
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02-18-2013, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DaveFla
Not a campaign event, but just when is a first-term candidate NOT campaigning?
"Ask not what your country can do for you..."
Doesn't sound like a promise to pay-off to me...
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Ah, so Kennedy, a New Deal liberal, who campaigned on the "New Frontier" domestic agenda is your go to example of someone who wasnt offering "stuff" to people because one time he gave a speech talking about the virtues of service (which all presidents have done too).
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02-18-2013, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by DaveFla
An even better question might be, can ANY candidate ever win again without promising to pay off all those who voted for him/her?
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An even better question would be what candidate EVER won an election without promising anything?
You act as though this has occured some time in the past but is no longer true today.
When did candidates win previously without promises?
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02-18-2013, 10:13 AM
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If a politician cannot win without promises to certain ethnic groups, we have turned the corner on racism, after making some progress, and are now in a downward spiral.
It would be great to vote for the most qualified person, regardless of party, race or religion, that would benefit the nation as a whole.
Unfortunately we are a long way from that, because presently one cannot disagree with policy without being called a hater or racist. Sad!
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02-18-2013, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by jimgata
If a politician cannot win without promises to certain ethnic groups, we have turned the corner on racism, after making some progress, and are now in a downward spiral.
It would be great to vote for the most qualified person, regardless of party, race or religion, that would benefit the nation as a whole.
Unfortunately we are a long way from that, because presently one cannot disagree with policy without being called a hater or racist. Sad!
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You do realize "promises" like trickle down economics, regressive tax reforms, immigration, etc. have been conservative promises to whites, right?
I'd love to know what "progress" you perceive the country was making that has now been derailed?
Let me ask you, what should happen with the Voting Rights Act?
Careful, a weak policy argument will draw criticism... 
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"This is why we spend so much time recruiting because you need playmakers. You need difference makers."
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02-18-2013, 10:37 AM
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A better question would be how can a GOP candidate win the WH again when they are seen as the party of intolerance and only out for the rich?
The GOP plan seems to be to pedal the same gobbledygook a little softer and from different messengers. This is unlikely to be successful.
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02-18-2013, 10:46 AM
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Progress is not always defined by laws.
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02-18-2013, 11:06 AM
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Would Marco Rubio be considered a "white male?" And before someone asks, yes I know he is not a Dem.
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02-18-2013, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by HALLGATOR
Would Marco Rubio be considered a "white male?" And before someone asks, yes I know he is not a Dem.
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Yes. Hispanic is not a race, its an ethnicity.
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02-18-2013, 11:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HALLGATOR
Would Marco Rubio be considered a "white male?" And before someone asks, yes I know he is not a Dem.
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Of course he's not
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02-18-2013, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by gatorman_07732
Of course he's not
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Uh ....
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02-18-2013, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by gatorman_07732
Of course he's not
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Of course he's not...........what?
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02-18-2013, 11:11 AM
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The Dem Party in reality has such a small tent of ideas that any white puppet could win with just half the media brainwashing that Obama needed for a former community organizer to win. The Pubs don't win lately because they have much more diversity of thought in the party which often results in a weaker primary candidate (either a blueblood like Romney or a social conservative) getting the nomination. This happens quite frequently in Congress too.
Seriously, the bigger government party doesn't have any serious outspoken factions with anything beyond astroturf (i.e. no real grassroots - see the now defunct OWS).
Look at the US Senate. How many black Dems are in the US Senate? Zero last I checked.
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02-18-2013, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by HALLGATOR
Of course he's not...........what?
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Of course he's not white
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02-18-2013, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by gatorman_07732
Of course he's not white
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What is he then?
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02-18-2013, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by wgbgator
What is he then?
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Latin
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02-18-2013, 11:15 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gatorman_07732
Of course he's not white
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You need to take of those very dark sunglasses. This is a white man.
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02-18-2013, 11:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gatorman_07732
Latin
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That's not a race.
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