Hall what a lot do not seem to understand is that obamacare will be administered by the IRS- it will be a line on their paycheck just like SS and medicare and they will have no say on it-it is going to come out of their check whether they want it to or not- as of today once they get their dream of single payer, the cheapest plan is $4000 a year or $77 a week, right out of ones check.
The thing is will the plans be affordable to the average worker? I dare say that premiums pushing $2K a month are out of reach of a lot of Americans who work.
Of course not. There is no way to accept everyone AND keep it affordable.
Well, since it basically bans an actuarial industry from engaging in actuarial analysis, so... as intended, it will begin to drive the companies that provide those plans into the ground.
No, you don't. You could require all 7 billion people on the planet to buy private insurance and it wouldn't matter -- if they have to take every comer and have to pay every claim as though there were no actuarial difference between them, you might as well save yourself some time and burn their offices down.
No, you don't. You could require all 7 billion people on the planet to buy private insurance and it wouldn't matter -- if they have to take every comer and have to pay every claim as though there were no actuarial difference between them, you might as well save yourself some time and burn their offices down.
Yes, it's just destroyed the Canadian economy.
Do you ever get tired of being a perpetually wrong alarmist?
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Do you ever get tired of being a perpetually wrong alarmist?
Usually it is the liberals pointing that Obamacare isn't a single payer, i.e. isn't Canada. Obamacare is a means to a single payer end. It is the grenade thrown into the private insurance bunker. You can only get single payer if you cripple the private insurance market, make it a boutique industry suitable only to supplement the very wealthy against the failures of a state run system.
Usually it is the liberals pointing that Obamacare isn't a single payer, i.e. isn't Canada. Obamacare is a means to a single payer end. It is the grenade thrown into the private insurance bunker. You can only get single payer if you cripple the private insurance market, make it a boutique industry suitable only to supplement the very wealthy against the failures of a state run system.
Private insurance did this to themselves with years of increases, letting customers die and excessive executive pay.
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The thing is will the plans be affordable to the average worker? I dare say that premiums pushing $2K a month are out of reach of a lot of Americans who work.
That's just it... it won't be. The average person will be paying twice as much for an obamacare policy than they would a private sector policy.
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And here what it really all comes down to, and why the government needs final discretion on medical decisions... someone might be making money somewhere.
Usually it is the liberals pointing that Obamacare isn't a single payer, i.e. isn't Canada. Obamacare is a means to a single payer end. It is the grenade thrown into the private insurance bunker. You can only get single payer if you cripple the private insurance market, make it a boutique industry suitable only to supplement the very wealthy against the failures of a state run system.
You're probably right and I also think Obamacare will eventually morph into a single payer system. What makes me sit back and scratch my head is for the lack of a better idea is that such a bad thing if the goal is to have all Americans insured?
This bill belongs to the Dem lock stock and barrel The Rep had no say so in shaping the bill what so ever
You think any x party would ever let any y party bill go through without revision, and making the other party reduce some parts to more moderate solutions?
You're probably right and I also think Obamacare will eventually morph into a single payer system. What makes me sit back and scratch my head is for the lack of a better idea is that such a bad thing if the goal is to have all Americans insured?
Obama himself said single payer is his goal, and that it would have to be incremental...
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Because it's obedient to the liberal agenda Bill, at least how the libs here reason. It's what Obama wants,m so they want it to.
Don't worry though, because all that Obama debt (that's all really Bush's fault of course), will never really amount to anything.
Obamacare was all about creating that econimic misery index Obama wants to force people to go running to govt. for help. He's already managed to erase some 8 million + jobs from the labor force the last four years (after claiming he created over 5 million with ZERO proof of it).
He's already put a recond number of people on welfare/entitlements and food stamps.
So hey, let's re-elect him for abother four years ("because Republicans are bad").
Power and control. That;s what Obamacare was all about. Controlling our money and using the IRS as their enforcement agency to do it. Control the car campanies, the banks, our health care, and soon, Obama will now go after our energy and guns too.
Power and control, that;s all it is.
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